I love this man's speech. Such a perfect reaction to the push for gay rights.

@SatyrService You don't have the right to other people's money and services.

@Celine "Women's rights under pressure" is coded language for gov't subsidized abortions and contraceptives. We have the same rights. Women's rights are not under pressure, but there is a big move to defund Planned Parenthood completely. We shouldn't have to pay for other people's poor decisions.

@Celine They should pay for those 'good health services' themselves. They didn't have an Immaculate style pregnancy. Universal health care is awful. Try the VA and see what I mean. Gov't is mandated to enforce it's laws, we were founded on that. Forcing people to provide services is not what America was founded on.

I agree. People who think other people should work for free is selfish.

@Celine It's myopic to consider pregnancy (abortion, because that's really what we're talking about here) like a random disease. It's a choice made twice. 1. To fuck. 2. To abort.

We have a civic responsibility for our own actions - not making our responsibility someone else's.

Yes, I don't like having doctors leave before they see me after waiting months on end or being forced to pay for a service I didn't receive. I love the fact that people get infected with HIV and then VA being protected from lawsuits.

My attitude is "I am responsible for my own actions" or "I don't have the right to anyone else's labor". If that's toxic, then I wish you good day.

@Celine That's a choice I want to make, not you for me. I said good day.

@Celine Which America was founded on, I said good day, madam!

@quietlitany [b]agreed,[/b] except those that are tax money, which is supposed to be for the benifit of all, not just some,

@SatyrService tax money is supposed to be used to run the nation. There is a vested interest in educating people; not subsidizing their shitty life choices.

@quietlitany women's rights is not a coded message.
as white males, we have lived in privilege and it is harder for us to see what others experience, till we go and see for ourselves
[quote]We shouldn't have to pay for other people's poor decisions.[/quote]
humans are not perfect. what is better a nation chock full of under fed under educated poor and illiterates? or one where there is enough for all

BTW I like your Wonka Quote, you might note tho, that in contexts, Mr Wonka was dismissing the very thing he sought.

@SatyrService Sure it is. White privilege is Marxist-Lite bullshit.

Women enjoy longer lifespans, safer working conditions, commit less suicide, don't have to sign up for the draft but get all of the benefits in a society they don't have to contribute too, and get special treatment in legal, serving less time for the same crime and enjoy favor in child support cases.

Women are the privileged class in the US.

People choose to fuck, choose to abort - they pay. Not us.

I like your Wonka knowledge. I find you tolerable, but to be fair, he had to test Charlie. ;)

@quietlitany I too find you tolerable, and tolerance is the first step to recognizing the humanity of others.

and you are correct, in the charlie test,
[c=#003BB2]( p.s, i hated the new one, THEN someone said watch it again, see the new wonka as Michael Jackson I did, it was SCARY)
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hmm, it is hard to see a thing, if you are on it. we DO have privilege, it shows in pay grades, unwanted sexual advances, and centuries of near chattel slavery,
we DO have he most empowered women here in history and a history that is based on such.
the anglo-american world has had many potent women figures, and we DO have more tolerance for such people as Elizabeth the first, Victoria, Dolly Madison, Uppity Women, make us better men. you are very correct about the child custody thing, I do volunteer work in that issue.

I learned an odd thing, from those in my circle that are, homophobic, ( I am not, More womem for me!!?) it took a while, but I got agreement when i asked
"So you dont like homo's because you say" "[c=#800000]I dont want some man lookin at MY ASS[/c]." well that is what every mother sister daughter girlfriend you have ever had has had to put up with since she grew tits.

I am no Marxist, not even.
marx, ( always confused with lenin,)
was as ignorant of human nature, as Adam Smith. I am more old school libertarian, [i]an extinct group[/i]

When was the last time YOU had to sign up for the draft? at best a theoretical stance. I prefer a volunteer force, I prefer volunteer everything. coercion, is the true enemy of Liberty

I also support the idea, that we should be able to Opt Out, of things we do not want to take part in , like that dollar to the presidential election fun in our takes, I opt Out, IN oregeon, when hey legalzed canabis, we included an Opt our for counties and cities. t[i]hey also chose get a much smaller part of the tax revenues.[/i]

[quote]People choose to fuck, choose to abort - they pay. Not us.[/quote]
well I for one have, in the heat of the moment have chosen poorly at times, Never so for you?
my point about legal and cheap abortions, is the cost, to our country of ill fed, ill bred, ill educated people.
if your stance is the [i]its a life[/i] stance, i have at this time no comfortable way to open that can of worms.

One abortion makes the difference between a young low end work single mom, and one that might have gone on to be educated and a worthy productive person, maybe even a good parent when the time is right. I would rather pay for 6 abortions, than the much greater cost, in taxes, of the public education, and perhaps incarceration, of people living below the edge of poverty. yes, some might call that elitist. but it is no blessing to be poor, just a damn hardship

Thank you sir, for the pleasure of civil discourse!