Do you think the push towards adoption of small scale solar and batteries is a scam or legit?
Smells like a scam to us.
51-55, C
Neoerectus · M
Legit. Years ago, NPR interviewed a Canadian who did extensive research in this area. He concluded decentralized alternative energy (sun, wind, etc) was by far the most cost effective strategy:
- no need to rebuild energy distribution infrastructure
-more resilient to natural disaster
-harder to sabotage
-distributed storage was effective for the above reasons AND cheaper and attainable with current technology
- no need to rebuild energy distribution infrastructure
-more resilient to natural disaster
-harder to sabotage
-distributed storage was effective for the above reasons AND cheaper and attainable with current technology
mksworld · 51-55, C
@Neoerectus Presumably a lot depends on how the social worth of change is presented. Here in Australia solar and batteries and EV's are being pushed like a Covid-vax-style 'religion' and that doesn't sell well across the whole Australian population. The virtue-signallers all jump on board early if they can afford to - everyone else has to content with the slops.
Neoerectus · M
@mksworld No matter how it is presented, it is a preferable option. Rejecting something due to others' presentation seems short-sighted.
I think for myself and act for myself based on reproducible researched fact. In the states, the idea of 'belief' vs fact gets tiresome to deal with. I am scientific method trained.
E.G. I don't give a hoot if someone doesn't "believe" in human-caused global warming when 99% of research indicates it exists. I have done scientific literature searches myself on this subject.
By the same token, solar, wind, etc. have demonstrably exceeded expectations in their benefit. That stated, there are MANY sheisters trying to sell systems that are, effectively, double the cost of what it should be - ie where a company emplaces and owns while you effectively lease the panels (in a loan type scheme)- These usually cost much more than simply taking a loan and paying for it up front. (Or paying cash if you have it)
I think for myself and act for myself based on reproducible researched fact. In the states, the idea of 'belief' vs fact gets tiresome to deal with. I am scientific method trained.
E.G. I don't give a hoot if someone doesn't "believe" in human-caused global warming when 99% of research indicates it exists. I have done scientific literature searches myself on this subject.
By the same token, solar, wind, etc. have demonstrably exceeded expectations in their benefit. That stated, there are MANY sheisters trying to sell systems that are, effectively, double the cost of what it should be - ie where a company emplaces and owns while you effectively lease the panels (in a loan type scheme)- These usually cost much more than simply taking a loan and paying for it up front. (Or paying cash if you have it)
mindless · M
I have both panels and battery... And I'm very happy with them
Disworld · F
I feel the amount of wasted energy to develop and create these solar panels and batteries is not worth it. Not to mention their life span is limited and ends up in landfills and hazardous to the environment
Neoerectus · M
@Disworld This is not borne out from research into the matter. Initial lifespans were thought to be 20-25 years in the original panels. Quite a few have far exceeded this life span by 10-15 years.
No moving components.
No moving components.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
there is a move to bring such small solar panels and mobile smart phones into the far reaches of civilization to enable the poor countries to have their citizens internet-connected.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
If it is for a dedicated purpose like a pump, lights, or vehicle it can work.
mksworld · 51-55, C
Here it's creating a social divide between those who can afford solar/batteries (and probably electric vehicles and all new electric home appliances) and those who cannot.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@mksworld what?? How is that? Already some prople can afford high end tvs and cars while others can not. This is small compared to the general wide gap betwern the ruling rich and th e rest. Are you suggesting government should interven e snd supply such equipment? Interesting concept. I am not arguing against it, but it sounds a but like a b socialist idea.