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American gun laws ???

If in American gun laws allow all to take up arms to defend them selfs …..

How come when the crazy’s start shooting in mass shooting . You never see the citizen Produce and taking up arms against the crazy person ??
And sadly people die by the time the police get to stop them 😢

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JesseInTX · 51-55, M

The Constitution allows for ownership but some State and local jurisdictions make it tough to purchase a firearm and almost impossible to carry one in public. I’m assuming you’re referring to the shooting in Buffalo, NY. NY carry laws are so restrictive that if someone had stopped the shooter with their own gun they’d have been prosecuted, whereas in Texas they’d have received a medal. God Bless Texas.

TexChik · F

@JesseInTX 🤠

Freeranger · M

Anyone who does carry concealed, or who keeps a weapon for protection in their homes knows the answer. The American press is adamantly against reporting on ANY situation where a good guy with a gun takes down a bad guy with a gun.
They wish to wipe away 2nd Amendment gun rights, and to report on it would concede the obvious. I subscribe to the principle that, it's better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have one. Having been shot in a robbery attempt years ago, I can promise you, I never will never let that happen again.

As you state, in many instances the police are 20 or so minutes away.....so what are you going to do, particularly if you're looking at more than one perpetrator?

Pitchblue

You are advocating for a shootout. Who gets to determine who the "Good Guys" are? A Republican might have thought the "Good Guy" was the one killing innocent Black People in Buffalo.

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GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M

@ChipmunkErnie A jury verdict is Always better than verdicts decided by public opinion and media misinformation

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

@GJOFJ3 Better, yes, but not always right.

GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M

@ChipmunkErnie in this case the evidence was convincing

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

Carrying a gun is about individual personal protection. It works much more often than not according to all FBI statistics. It's not a perfect solution in every incidence. U.S. cities with the most restrictive gun laws also have the most violent crime across the nation. Cities with the least restrictive gun laws have the least violent crime. Again FBI statistics. Do you really wonder why this is?

soar2newhighs

Gun laws don’t always carry weight. Look at American cities like NYC, Chicago, to name two where there are supposedly the strictest gun laws “ on the books”. If you then look at the shootings in these cities, it belies these “ gun laws”.
What perhaps you may not be aware of , overlooked or don’t have in Australia are the no bail laws which enable and emboldened criminals to continue their criminal behaviors which often involves fire arms. These no bail laws in our cities pushed by very pro criminal district attorneys basically “ gut” gun laws.

wildbill83 · 41-45, M

happens all the time, the news just doesn't report it 99% of the time because it doesn't coincide with the marxist narrative that all guns are bad...

Scribbles · 36-40, F

Because murder by gun happens fast and the situation is chaotic.
And yeah, it does happen sometimes that a good Samaritan with a gun will try to help. Those instances do get reported. It happens, but its rare. Because most people don't carry a gun except maybe in Texas and a few other places. And sometimes said people get shot themselves because they are mistaken as the perpetrator.

And yeah people still die in mass shootings even with others armed.
so yeah, it's like maybe we should consider most kinds of guns are a bad idea to have in the hands of civilians.

America is the only nation that has so many mass shootings. We throw up our hands and say its not preventable, and yet we're the only country where like ten of them happen a week. It's a regular daily thing. Meanwhile other countries have mass shootings down to like 1 percent-obviously its preventable. Maybe it's time to learn from other counties when it comes to modern gun control.

And before any nutters say you can't take away our precious constitutional rights for automatic guns that the framers gave us. The constitution was always supposed to be "For the people, by the people" and if we are sick of guns, we can change things.

wildbill83 · 41-45, M

according to FBI, 98% of mass shootings are thwarted by armed citizens

Native

@wildbill83 ^^ This is 100% bullshit, folks.

Coffeequilt · 51-55, F

Look what happened at the Texas church

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

@Coffeequilt And again today at a California Church, evidently. :'(

Coffeequilt · 51-55, F

@ChipmunkErnie In the TX church, the guy walked in and 3 different church goers shot him with their own guns.

redredred · M

This was in New York State, just try getting a carry permit there. In Wyoming or New Hampshire the shooters mother wouldn’t have recognized the body.

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@redredred Yes, unfortunately there are many places like New York that have absurd gun laws.

bugeye · 26-30, F

because shootouts are scary and unless you're a trained professional you're more likely to add to the death and chaos then prevent it.

Pitchblue

If it's legal to walk into a Starbucks with an AR15 what chance does a Good Guy With A Gun Have?
All legal until the guy with the AR pulls the trigger.

dakotaviper · 56-60, M

American Gun Laws must conform to the US Constitution.
What's sad is each side is trying to interpret what the 2nd Amendment says and doesn't say.

But do understand this:

If the 1st Amendment applies to the Radio, Television, and the Internet, the 4th Amendment applies to Electronic and Video Surveillance, then the 2nd Amendment applies to Modern Guns too.

Roadsterrider · 56-60, M

There have been at least 3 cases I can remember where an armed citizen shot someone trying to shoot a bunch of people. All three are i Texas if my memory is correct. It is estimated that private citizens use a firearm for defense around 2 million times a year.

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@Roadsterrider That's true. Texas is one of the most gun friendly states there is. Compare things happening there to things happening in Detroit or several other similar places.

Roadsterrider · 56-60, M

@Nitedoc I lived outside the DFW area for 12 years, never felt threatened around town. Texas is a wonderful state, leaving was a mistake for me.

Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M

🤔.......A armed good Samaritan in Colorado who was armed, shot a guy who had shot a police officer and when another police office arrived at the scene, the police officer shot and killed the good Samaritan. The good Samaritan saved other people from being shot and ended losing his life.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/26/us/arvada-colorado-police-shot-good-samaritan/index.html

Pitchblue

@Jimmy2016 He fogot his White Cowboy hat.

Jonjdw · 51-55, M

I’m not sure what the ratio is but sometimes A registered gun owner does get to use his weapon to stop a crime. I don’t own guns nor am I interested in them but my kids have guns and they like them. And my kids still live with me so there are guns in my house.

SW-User

That did happen but this recent shooter was in tactical gear and shooting him had no effect.

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@SW-User "Tactical gear" is not made to stop a bullet. Bullet resistant vests are made to stop most handgun ammo. Most any rifle will shoot right through a bullet resistant vest. (their is no bullet proof vest) If shooting him had no effect then he wasn't hit in the right place. Granted, it's very hard to do but can be done.

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

@Nitedoc The killer was wearing body armor, evidently. The security guard shot him and it had no effect, except maybe to slow him down a few steps.

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-who-took-out-church-gunman-to-receive-states-highest-civilian-honor/2290236/

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

In this case -- assuming you mean yesterday's shooting -- the good guy with the gun got killed. :'(

666Maggotz ·

Typically these are in places with strict gun laws, so most people in that area don’t have them.

1234cardiff · 61-69, M

It a rule “ evey American citizen can take up arms .
I guess not all like the rule ? So why have it ?

HootyTheNightOwl

I'm not sure that even staff are allowed to take their own guns into schools, though...

1234cardiff · 61-69, M

So the law is stupid

SW-User

@1234cardiff this post is stupid

TexChik · F

@1234cardiff If you don't like freedom, dont live in the US.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@TexChik He does like freedom - including freedom from the risk of being shot at random for no real motive by some complete stranger. And so do I!

That can happen here but the risk is extremely low - this is not Colombia. Terrorist-defined outrages apart, there have been only 4 or 5 such pointless, random killings in the last 40+ years in the entire UK - though one, the worst, was in a Primary School (Dublane).

There is a big, international, cultural difference here. Britons are allowed to own guns but under strict control, mainly for sports, antique-collection and agricultural reasons; and most people just don't need or want guns. Reports of murder by shooting tend to elicit calls for tighter, not looser, laws. (Most gang killings are by stabbing, many involving teenagers; usually over illegal drugs.)

I say "no real motive". If the murderer is shot by the Police or suicide at the scene, the nearest any motive can be determined is by examining his 'phone and Internet records, and interviewing friends and relatives. Unless these reveal a definite intention and motive, creating a sort of preliminary confession, such evidence may still be circumstantial.

I did once look into US gun ownership, in discussing the subject with an American on another forum. I was surprised to find far fewer American households are armed with at least one gun, than the bitter debates there lead we foreigners to think - estimates and surveys suggested about half if I recall aright - but some do own veritable private arsenals including battlefield weapons. Even the NRA membership figure amounted to a very small fraction of the country's adult population; but it has a very large political fighting-fund helping it gain a lot of publicity.

romell · 51-55, M

You don't need anyone to kill society is imploding

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

It has happened

1234cardiff · 61-69, M

So is the law a ass ?

SW-User

The idea of the good guy with the gun is somewhat fanciful. He has to be there, he has to have his gun, he has to be calm under pressure and be able to shoot worth of shit. All of those things coming together are rare.

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