The problem with shooting at a person in the driver seat in positive operational control of a vehicle in gear.

Feet go to floor when uncanciousness occurs causing the potential of the vehicle to go full throttle out of control with nobody to stop it.

Thats if Renee Good really was trying to run down ICE agents making the chances of getting hit even higher.

When I was in the real military, i was taught to shoot through the radiator and engine and tires to disable the vehicle in such situations.

Beings that Johnathan Ross served in Iraq too, she knew that and clearly wanted to kill her in cold blood.

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ElwoodBlues · M

The folks in charge know how dangerous it is to shoot a driver. They've written about it in their manuals!

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—

“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html

Here's the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf
Page 12 includes the following:

4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

In this case, Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle -- the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites -- and after defending himself, fired three shots as the vehicle was passing by.

MisterElixir · 31-35, M

The ICE agent broke all DOJ guidance.

It clearly states that if you can evade the vehicle, you should do this rather than using deadly force.

He evaded the vehicle, but still used deadly force. It’s open and shut.

idontcareok · 70-79, M

she knew????

MethDozer · M

Litterally everything about the reaction to her pulling away was a problem.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

@MethDozer and literally everything about approaching her in the first place was a problem.

1) she was not blocking them in (the agent who shot her actually drove around her car.
2) she was not using threatening language.
3) she was not verbally harassing them “all day”, as was claimed.

Trying to open her car door is also against protocol, probably a violation of her rights, and simply lacks common sense.

Basically they wanted to “teach her a lesson” simply for being annoying.

My opinion - at the very minimum Ross and the officer who tried opening her door should be fired for breaking protocol. But unless there is other evidence out there, such as Good verbally threatening to run them over, I think an impartial investigation and jury would easily convict Ross. From the videos I have seen, I see no evidence she was trying to run him over or run from a lawful arrest.

Unfortunately, not only will Ross likely walk away free, Trump will probably give him a medal of freedom.

MethDozer · M

@trollslayer post thks shkt to someone who disagrees ffs

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SW-User

@SW-User Just to be factual, she was in control before they shot her..

SW-User

@SW-User Exactly. And then she was shot and killed. No wonder the car crashed then.

SW-User

@SW-User I agree about that.

Roundandroundwego · 61-69

Risk and tragedy are what conservatives need - that's what made YOU the best population to exploit, most profitable, safest to kill!!!
Yum. Conservative and moderate getting what you bought together!!!

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