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Update on pregnant Texas women given ticket for driving in multi person Lane...

The below are extracts from a recent Washington Post article on the lady ...
Bottone maintained to The Post that she hoped the Texas laws would be consistent on how the measures recognize unborn children.

“The laws don’t speak the same language, and it’s all been kind of confusing, honestly,” she said.

She’s due in court on July 20, which is only two weeks before her daughter’s due date of Aug. 3.

“It wasn’t because of Roe v. Wade that I hopped in the HOV lane,” she said. “I just thought of it as me and another person.”
Texas state Rep. Brian Harrison (R) vowed on Saturday night to introduce legislation to correct the language in the transportation code.

“Unborn babies are persons (meaning they’re also passengers), and should be treated accordingly under Texas laws,” he wrote in a tweet. “Brandy, keep fighting that ticket!”
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
She does make a great point
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@Viper laws must conform, one with the other...i funny think judges would allow try different definitions of a person to be used in two different laws... But I'm not a lawyer @Viper
Viper · M
@Mak03 Yeah, but if the unborn child doesn't die, I'm not sure they count it as a person.

But if there is no attack on it, it doesn't count as a person in any law that I'm aware of in the US.

@ozgirl512 written laws in the US do not have to conform... it of course is helpful and smart when they do... But they don't have to, and then it goes to judges to interpret the laws.


As I've said, I don't know of any law, where an unborn baby, counts as a person, unless the mother/unborn baby is either violently attacked or gets into an accident clearly caused by someone else.

When no violence or accidents occur, an unborn baby is not considered a person by any US law I've seen yet.


Though, I do feel like clearly pregnant women should be allowed in HOV I'm case they have an emergency, that hopefully they can get to where they need to get to faster, or help can get to them.

Just saying, CLEARLY that is not the current law... and her claims seems more like an excuse than her confusing some other law, as the other laws (that I'm aware of) don't state her believes either.
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@Viper I'm certainly not going to say your interpretation is wrong asi just don't know... But i think the court case will be either anticlimactic or interesting... Thanks for your views though!
Ontheroad · M
Hmmm, interesting idea but I see a Constitutional fight in the offering. Rights of citizens are defined (14th Amendment) as those who are "born" citizens. Sort of follows that you have to be born to count as a passenger.
justanothername · 51-55, M
By that lose argument you could argue that bodily organs are also passengers in a vehicle which therefore would give every person the right up drive their vehicle in the HOV lane.

If you think that argument sounds ridiculous have a look at the first argument.
Multi protein lane lol
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@DrawntoaDistance bloody Auto correct lol!
AbbySvenz · F
Technically correct..?🤨@ozgirl512
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@AbbySvenz good point!😝
A new cottage industry - funerals for miscarriages.
@JonLosAngeles66 It’s already been proposed.
Viper · M
What?

If unborn babies are persons, does that mean males jerking off is murder? It kills the sperm which are basically unborn babies.

Different state, but HOV is to have more than one seat taken up, which is not done with being present and Cops can check to see if you are pregnant, or not... one could easily lie about it.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5151368
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@Viper not quite...a sperm by itself will never ever be a baby .... But i seem to remember some injunction about men spilling their seed upon the ground ... So maybe as we further approach Gilead this may be considered ...
Viper · M
@ozgirl512 I'm not currently finding any Texas Law that states an unborn child is a person either, so I'm not sure where this so called contradict in the law comes from...

Seems like it contradicts their beliefs, not what is actually written from what I've seen so far.
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@Viper can't help you there... But i suspect the detail will be in the anti abortion law... If for example, performing an abortion is considered as murder, then the foetus would suggest to be being treated as a person....i just made that up as an example, i don't know what the law actually states
NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F
They really dug themselves in a hole, this time. I’m curious about the ending results.
They aren't "another person" until the intake of the first breath.
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
Hoist by their own petard.
The HOV lane should specify that it driver plus one passenger that takes up a different seat.
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