Update on pregnant Texas women given ticket for driving in multi person Lane...

The below are extracts from a recent Washington Post article on the lady ...
Bottone maintained to The Post that she hoped the Texas laws would be consistent on how the measures recognize unborn children.

“The laws don’t speak the same language, and it’s all been kind of confusing, honestly,” she said.

She’s due in court on July 20, which is only two weeks before her daughter’s due date of Aug. 3.

“It wasn’t because of Roe v. Wade that I hopped in the HOV lane,” she said. “I just thought of it as me and another person.”
Texas state Rep. Brian Harrison (R) vowed on Saturday night to introduce legislation to correct the language in the transportation code.

“Unborn babies are persons (meaning they’re also passengers), and should be treated accordingly under Texas laws,” he wrote in a tweet. “Brandy, keep fighting that ticket!”

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Bill1372 · 51-55, M

She does make a great point

Viper · M

@Bill1372 not really... it's pretty clear that unborn babies didn't count.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea that clearly pregnant women should get a loophole through the rule...

But I can't currently find any law suggestions unborn babies counted as people ever, in any circumstances of the law.

Abortions are banned, but that doesn't make the baby a person or a passenger.

Unless there is a law I haven't seen yet (which I'm sure I've seen less than 1%,)...

But this sounds more like an excuse to get out of a ticket...

Bill1372 · 51-55, M

@Viper I agree with you but there is no doubt an arguing point.

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

@Viper like most of the law, it, the outcome, will depend on definitions. If the road law does not include s definition of what a person is. Then the argument can be made that other laws that do supply a definition should have that definition used so that the laws are in conformity ...

Viper · M

@ozgirl512 I agree, but I haven't seen a US law yet, that states an unborn person is a person or passenger.

All definitions that I currently know of, would go against her.

In the original post, sounds like the lawmaker is suggesting that some law has a definition that would agree with her, but when I tried to Google it, I couldn't find anything about Texas having a law that states that.

I did see where Texas was concerning one, at one point but sounded like they never voted on it, and it was tabled.

Mak03 · F

@Viper any crime committed against a pregnant woman can bring charges for both the mother and unborn baby look up assault or murder

Viper · M

@Mak03 good point, but outside of physical attack or injury purposes as a victim.

Mak03 · F

@Viper you said you saw no place in any law that treated an unborn baby as a person assault and murder are crimes committed against a person

Bill1372 · 51-55, M

@Mak03 depends on the state

Viper · M

@Mak03 yes, but that's not relevant to the circumstances of the discussion... that's not an unborn child...

That's a dead unborn child...

The unborn child we are discussing here is not dead. Nor attacks, so still for a living unborn child... the statement is still true.

But you did a great job of coming up with proving the statement incorrect, but I just needed to clarify a bit more.

There is a clear difference between being dead of an attack of some sort, and not being dead nor even attacked.

Mak03 · F

@Bill1372 very true

Mak03 · F

@Viper assault does not always lead to death but i do see what you are saying what i am saying is all laws about unborn children are inconsistent. laws saying an unborn baby is treated as a person and other laws saying they are not, laws saying that how long from conception matters others saying it does not matter

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

@Viper laws must conform, one with the other...i funny think judges would allow try different definitions of a person to be used in two different laws... But I'm not a lawyer @Viper

Viper · M

@Mak03 Yeah, but if the unborn child doesn't die, I'm not sure they count it as a person.

But if there is no attack on it, it doesn't count as a person in any law that I'm aware of in the US.

@ozgirl512 written laws in the US do not have to conform... it of course is helpful and smart when they do... But they don't have to, and then it goes to judges to interpret the laws.

As I've said, I don't know of any law, where an unborn baby, counts as a person, unless the mother/unborn baby is either violently attacked or gets into an accident clearly caused by someone else.

When no violence or accidents occur, an unborn baby is not considered a person by any US law I've seen yet.

Though, I do feel like clearly pregnant women should be allowed in HOV I'm case they have an emergency, that hopefully they can get to where they need to get to faster, or help can get to them.

Just saying, CLEARLY that is not the current law... and her claims seems more like an excuse than her confusing some other law, as the other laws (that I'm aware of) don't state her believes either.

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

@Viper I'm certainly not going to say your interpretation is wrong asi just don't know... But i think the court case will be either anticlimactic or interesting... Thanks for your views though!