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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
So here's the thing, right. That chant is obviously the most pure antisemitism you can verbalise, and most conservatives would be justifiably horrified at that.
But they still believe it. They just don't use those words. Because it all ties back to the grand antisemitic narrative of shadowy forces controlling the world who are bent on destroying our society and entrenching their own power through mechanisms like the replacement of the white race. By repeating these stories, they entrench antisemitism because the most extreme element dig deeper and find the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and its antecedents.
And what's terrifying is that conspiracy theories are mainstream conservative thought right now. Globalism, the deep state, covid or global warming as a hoax - all of that requires a sophisticated functioning conspiracy to work there. Even back when everyone was freaking about "The convoy" in 2018 and how it had shadowy funders.
Who are (((them))) behind all the conspiracies? "Jews will not replace us" - that shit is literally about the American/Mexican border.
Antisemitism is a serious fucking problem right now, and getting worse. And what we do is that we turn it into this dumb question of "Do you support Israel or Hamas". God, it pisses me off.
But they still believe it. They just don't use those words. Because it all ties back to the grand antisemitic narrative of shadowy forces controlling the world who are bent on destroying our society and entrenching their own power through mechanisms like the replacement of the white race. By repeating these stories, they entrench antisemitism because the most extreme element dig deeper and find the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and its antecedents.
And what's terrifying is that conspiracy theories are mainstream conservative thought right now. Globalism, the deep state, covid or global warming as a hoax - all of that requires a sophisticated functioning conspiracy to work there. Even back when everyone was freaking about "The convoy" in 2018 and how it had shadowy funders.
Who are (((them))) behind all the conspiracies? "Jews will not replace us" - that shit is literally about the American/Mexican border.
Antisemitism is a serious fucking problem right now, and getting worse. And what we do is that we turn it into this dumb question of "Do you support Israel or Hamas". God, it pisses me off.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Diotrephes No, it's a political protest. They are protesting a political policy. It has nothing to do with antisemitism.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" has nothing to do with exterminating Jews it's about Palestinian people from West Bank to Gaza having, you know, freedom and not living under military occupation.
It is extremely frustrating to have what can be fairly complex and thoughtful beliefs flattened into "Oh you're just a Hamas supporter who wants to kill the Jews". A free Palestine and a homeland for the Jewish people are not incompatible concepts.
And it's a far cry from "Jews will not replace us" which sure as hell isn't being chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies, but weirdly, was chanted at a rally over the removal of a Robert E Lee statue.
It is extremely frustrating to have what can be fairly complex and thoughtful beliefs flattened into "Oh you're just a Hamas supporter who wants to kill the Jews". A free Palestine and a homeland for the Jewish people are not incompatible concepts.
And it's a far cry from "Jews will not replace us" which sure as hell isn't being chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies, but weirdly, was chanted at a rally over the removal of a Robert E Lee statue.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula [quote]"From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" has nothing to do with exterminating Jews it's about Palestinian people from West Bank to Gaza having, you know, freedom and not living under military occupation. [/quote]
It's being co-opted by radical Palestinian supporters to reflect their desire to get rid of the Jews.
[quote]It is extremely frustrating to have what can be fairly complex and thoughtful beliefs flattened into "Oh you're just a Hamas supporter who wants to kill the Jews". A free Palestine and a homeland for the Jewish people are not incompatible concepts. [/quote]
Oh really??? Gosh, what's that like? Having your beliefs and comments constantly questioned with purity tests, being forced to answer for things that have nothing to do with your point or beliefs, and having people obnoxiously assume your beliefs and opinions based on one comment. Must be tough for you.
[quote]And it's a far cry from "Jews will not replace us" which sure as hell isn't being chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies, but weirdly, was chanted at a rally over the removal of a Robert E Lee statue.
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You go right ahead and make that event the most important thing that happened to you ever, and let it influence your opinion of Conservatives.
I'll go right ahead and assume you support Palestinian protestors interested in killing Jews.
It's being co-opted by radical Palestinian supporters to reflect their desire to get rid of the Jews.
[quote]It is extremely frustrating to have what can be fairly complex and thoughtful beliefs flattened into "Oh you're just a Hamas supporter who wants to kill the Jews". A free Palestine and a homeland for the Jewish people are not incompatible concepts. [/quote]
Oh really??? Gosh, what's that like? Having your beliefs and comments constantly questioned with purity tests, being forced to answer for things that have nothing to do with your point or beliefs, and having people obnoxiously assume your beliefs and opinions based on one comment. Must be tough for you.
[quote]And it's a far cry from "Jews will not replace us" which sure as hell isn't being chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies, but weirdly, was chanted at a rally over the removal of a Robert E Lee statue.
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You go right ahead and make that event the most important thing that happened to you ever, and let it influence your opinion of Conservatives.
I'll go right ahead and assume you support Palestinian protestors interested in killing Jews.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Agree
Also, it seemed mind-boggling to me that Trump supporters support are isolationist foreign policy (see Ukraine) but actively support Israel bombing the f**k out of Gaza. They are sick of Europe 'using them as an ATM machine' but want to give Israel a blank check. Send in the carriers and stand with our brother against the bad guys. Why Israel and not Ukraine? Then I thought about it.
The only explanation I can come up with for these two apparent contradictions is one very cynical and yet very simple answer. Nothing else works as a rationale for this priority change and this answers both of our questions at once:
Palestinians are Muslims.
Also, it seemed mind-boggling to me that Trump supporters support are isolationist foreign policy (see Ukraine) but actively support Israel bombing the f**k out of Gaza. They are sick of Europe 'using them as an ATM machine' but want to give Israel a blank check. Send in the carriers and stand with our brother against the bad guys. Why Israel and not Ukraine? Then I thought about it.
The only explanation I can come up with for these two apparent contradictions is one very cynical and yet very simple answer. Nothing else works as a rationale for this priority change and this answers both of our questions at once:
Palestinians are Muslims.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 Hey Burnley, my question was actually directed towards Trashcan but thanks for replying.
"Globalist" has anti Semetic origins? Ok, and if I use it in the non "Jews run the world" sense do you understand my reference?
[quote]From my perspective, the US democrats are. lesser evils. I don't even think they are even much of a lesser evil on israel Palestine at all. On foreign policy and on Israel Palestine in particular, I'm in outright opposition to them. [/quote]
One thing I appreciate about you is that you are typically morally consistent. I appreciate not having to call you out on hypocrisy. My personal opinion is that the whole issue is a mess, and the only sensible path forward is to end the fighting and negotiate. Too much history, too many retaliations, too many fake promises of peace and harmony.
Don't see that happening anytime soon. The Israeli's are rightly pissed about what happened and again, I am pretty certain they will flatten Gaza, then impose military rule over it to prevent this from happening again.
"Globalist" has anti Semetic origins? Ok, and if I use it in the non "Jews run the world" sense do you understand my reference?
[quote]From my perspective, the US democrats are. lesser evils. I don't even think they are even much of a lesser evil on israel Palestine at all. On foreign policy and on Israel Palestine in particular, I'm in outright opposition to them. [/quote]
One thing I appreciate about you is that you are typically morally consistent. I appreciate not having to call you out on hypocrisy. My personal opinion is that the whole issue is a mess, and the only sensible path forward is to end the fighting and negotiate. Too much history, too many retaliations, too many fake promises of peace and harmony.
Don't see that happening anytime soon. The Israeli's are rightly pissed about what happened and again, I am pretty certain they will flatten Gaza, then impose military rule over it to prevent this from happening again.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SumKindaMunster [quote]Don't see that happening anytime soon. The Israeli's are rightly pissed about what happened and again, I am pretty certain they will flatten Gaza, then impose military rule over it to prevent this from happening again.[/quote]
The Zionists are intent on doing a 100% ethnic cleansing of the Levant area.
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
The Zionists are intent on doing a 100% ethnic cleansing of the Levant area.
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 This should get you up to speed =
[b][i][c=BF0000]Israeli Extremists Believe Now Is the Time to Deploy Their Ethnic Cleansing Plots[/c][/i][/b]
https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-extremists-believe-now-is-the-time-to-deploy-their-ethnic-cleansing-plots?ref=home
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
[b][i][c=BF0000]Israeli Extremists Believe Now Is the Time to Deploy Their Ethnic Cleansing Plots[/c][/i][/b]
https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-extremists-believe-now-is-the-time-to-deploy-their-ethnic-cleansing-plots?ref=home
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
bijouxbroussard · F
@samueltyler2 Indeed.
TrashCat · M
@samueltyler2 i wish I had remembered Putin's russia. Putin loves Hamas, was the only world leader to warmly welcome the leader of Hamas, and is fostering antisemitic crowds looking for Jews in russian Airports and Hotels. No criticism or anything towards their beloved Vladamir there...
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I noted your desperate attempt to draw attention away from the rabid anti-Semitism [i]from the left [/i]with this pathetic and inaccurate nonsense.
People who want to be taken seriously discuss issues seriously.
People who want to be taken seriously discuss issues seriously.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@TrashCat Nah, more like I wanted to highlight that part to see if you would actually answer my question.
You failed yet again. Any relevant response here?
You failed yet again. Any relevant response here?
TrashCat · M
@SumKindaMunster Well, girlfriend... no one stopped you from asking the questions, did they? Im not one of your coward friends who block people because I don't like what they say. You can ask whatever you want.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@TrashCat Uh huh. But the important question is whether or not you will respond relevantly.
Experience says no.
That's the key piece of info missing from your Swiss cheese brain.
Experience says no.
That's the key piece of info missing from your Swiss cheese brain.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Renaci · 36-40
The right love Israel but hate the Jews.
Whereas the left tends to love the Jews and Palestinians but hate Israel. But if you say you hate Israel the actual antisemites will call you an antisemite even though they are literally antisemitic. Reminds me of this I found on r/atheism:
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Whereas the left tends to love the Jews and Palestinians but hate Israel. But if you say you hate Israel the actual antisemites will call you an antisemite even though they are literally antisemitic. Reminds me of this I found on r/atheism:
TheAlanPartridge · M
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I'm sick of brain dead losers regurgitating inaccurate propaganda straight from left wing publications and acting like they did something noble or righteous.
You're just another indoctrinated tool carry water for the rich and powerful.
You're just another indoctrinated tool carry water for the rich and powerful.
TrashCat · M
@SumKindaMunster [quote]You're just another indoctrinated tool carry water for the rich and powerful[/quote]
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GO MAGA
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hotarabgirl · 18-21, F
they do not like jews, they like that israel is killing arabs/muslims.
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