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True Islam is radical Islam. The fact that Muhammad said it is okay to kill Christians and Jews makes the religion a violent religion.

Islam is not a peaceful religion and if a Muslim says it is, either that person has not read the Quran or that person is lying. In fact, Under the principle of Sharia law, Taqiyya, Muslims are encouraged to lie in order to spread the Islam. They are telling you that Islam is a peaceful religion and "most Muslims" are peaceful. Have you met most Muslims? Do you know that in Muslim countries, they will kill their own family members if they convert to Christianity? The Muslims who convert to Christianity in those countries have to keep it a secret. Oh yeah, sure, that's a peaceful religion.
Ceinwyn · 22-25, F
@RocktheHouse But they do it all the same. Europe became Christian through bloodshed and ethnic cleansing. Happily, since the early 20th century, the situation in Europe is reversing.
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
@Ceinwyn The situation in Europe is reversing on many levels - including war, crime and poverty.
Ceinwyn · 22-25, F
@RocktheHouse There are no corners of the globe where there is not war crime and poverty.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[quote]either that person has not read the Quran[/quote]

Or they have taken literally a segment taken out of context by an alt-right youtube channel.

All religion is superstition and all religious texts have loads of bullshit. Judge people on how there interpret the texts and live their lives. Judge by how they practice the religion, not the words on the page.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!"

Sorry for quoting the Bible because it is a book that recommends stoning gays.
Taqiyya refers to lying about being a Muslim if being suspected of following the religion would put the person in danger. It has nothing to do with "spreading Islam;" it is simply an approved form of self-preservation. Jews are also obligated to deny being Jewish and even eat non-kosher food if this is necessary to save their life.

As for killing family members, Christians in the U.S. have been known to kick their children out of the house if they admit to being gay or lesbian, and some of these children have died as a result.
sylvester · 46-50, M
@LeopoldBloom The obligatory insult thrown at [i]Christians in the US.[/i] What a surprise, Goober.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
And how many Muslims do you think we killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". We are not better than them and to say otherwise would be untruthful.
Torsten · 31-35, M
@basilfawlty89 [quote]let's look at statistics. It's firstly not the majority of Muslims who practice first cousin marriage. It varies by country, but in the country that it's the highest (Pakistan), it's not even half the population.[/quote]
you got those stats to prove its not even half the Muslim population in say Pakistan?
Torsten · 31-35, M
@basilfawlty89 looked it up once more and In a study of 20 populous Islamic nations, an average of 49.8 percent of all marriages were to first cousins.
spjennifer · 56-60, T

[quote]I don't mean to be rudimentary but let's go back to my initial point. The Quran is a book that teaches violence. It teaches Muslims to kill the infidel - that includes you. In fact, you would be considered lower than an infidel in Islam.[/quote]

In fact, I've lived 5 out of the last 25 years in predominantly Muslim Countries, albeit as an American Airman and Officer, that being said, I had enough common sense to understand the culture and religion of the countries I was in and acted accordingly. if as you say the Quran teaches Muslims to "kill the infidel" which I'm not disputing but with Muslims comprising almost 1/4 of the World's Population, how many of them are killers? If they are indeed killers as you say, how come there aren't many more dead from this? You are attempting to paint all Muslims with the same brush we should use on the extremists. Most Muslims are just normal people with different religious beliefs than Christians, who by the way aren't lily white either, they are simply trying to survive and live out their lives like we do... Do all Christians follow and believe every verse in the Bible, no they don't and neither do Muslims follow every verse in the Quran.
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
Most religions are violent. The good news is that most religious people know that their own religion is wrong, so they only follow the parts that they want.

[quote]Do you know that in Muslim countries, they will kill their own family members if they convert to Christianity?[/quote]

It depends on the country. That does happen in certain countries pretty often, like Pakistan, but it never happens in Albania or Kazakhstan. Like with other religions, the culture of the country determines the rate of extremism. There are certain Christian countries where they kill people for practicing "witchcraft." But that doesn't happen in countries with a westernized version of Christianity.
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo Western countries are as guilty as any others in their duplicity.This is the devils realm,and any power that exists is only in power by allegience to him.Just as we were told as children,the devil is after your soul,the most precious commodity we own.
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
Listen to your heart,not religion.Any cult/religion/political party which encourages the taking of a human life by another human is demonical in origin.
FukFaceWillie · 46-50, M

According to the Torah or Law of Moses, a woman falsely representing herself as a virgin before the marriage ceremony gets the death penalty.

Worshipping Baal Peor. The death penalty here was specifically impalement.

Death for a prophet who says to follow gods other than Yahweh

Death for a person who follows gods other than Yahweh

During the period that the Israelites wandered the wilderness, examples include: A man was stoned for gathering wood on Sabbath, while another was stoned for blasphemy. In the rebellion of Korah, the ground opened up swallowing Korah, other leaders, and their families; and a heavenly fire consumed another 250 followers.

The next day, all the Israelites railed against Moses and Aaron, blaming them for the deaths, and God sent a plague that killed another 14,700.

During the period of Kings, examples include: Elijah captured and "slaughtered" the prophets of Baal. King Asa and the tribes who followed him made a covenant to worship God and "whoever would not worship the LORD God of Israel would be put to death."

King Ahab eliminated Naboth (to get his land) by getting false witnesses to testify that Naboth had blasphemed God and the King.
pedrohedgerow · 61-69, M
@FukFaceWillie Thank you for proving the validity of my words,and Good Bless!
Torsten · 31-35, M
and Christianity has a long history of peace and acceptance? haha come on now
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@redredred I'd say the war crimes Russia is committing in Ukraine rises to that level. And Israel's occupation of Gaza has been an incredibly long-running series of war crimes.
In both cases, religion is being used to justify the crimes. That's another thing worth mentioning. Whenever a government committed atrocities, and religion was used as justification, religious people were more likely to go along with it.
redredred · M
@BohemianBoo I’d say thats quite a stretch to call Russia’s invasion an act of Christian terrorism. You’re really out on a limb with that one. Really.

And the issue here is muslim vs Christian terrorism; you can leave Israel and general religious reactions out of it.
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@redredred Not what I said. I said that Russia is using Christianity to justify the invasion, much like ISIS uses Islam to justify what they do. Religion has always been a tool for the powerful to manufacture consent to the public.

Well the OP was about Islam being violent. My stance is that all religions have violence in their holy texts and traditions. And every religion is used to justify violence.
lingerie · 61-69
Islam Seek Cultural Control

Islam is not just a faith, it's a culture.

Christianity and Judaism are strictly religious creeds that make no claim to any particular governmental or economic system. For example, the Bible patriarchies monarchies, dictatorships and theocracies, the flexibility to permit both religions to exist in harmony with the modern state.

The first and greatest commandment of both faiths is to, "love your God with all of your heart and soul and with all your mind." The second is, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Islam's four most tenant is submission of ones will to God. Submission, not love, is required. Furthermore, the Koran and the Sunnah clearly prescribe not just a religious idea but a social compact including a theocracy, shiria law, modes of dress, permitted foods and every other aspect of life.

More nefarious is Islam's promotion of jihad, which includes, not just internal struggle for perfection, but external struggle against infidels, who are defined as any non-Muslim. Islam has been at war with Christendom for Muhammad's time to present.

But for Christian victories at Leptano in 1571 and at Vienna in 1638, Europe would likely now be an Islamic state. The few remaining Christians, like those currently in the Middle East, would be dhimmi, that is, second-class citizens, bereft of many rights and forced to pay a tax for clinging to their faith.

Islam is not just an alternative religion. It's a monolithic social, religious, government and economic structure to which devout Muslims will always aspire.

This article was found published in a news paper, "Comments to the Editor," from a nonaffiliated writer in response to an editorial of July 13, 2011.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@lingerie Jesus demands hate. He doesn't want you unless you hate everyone.

Luke 14:26 (CEB) = “Whoever comes to me and doesn’t hate father and mother, spouse and children, and brothers and sisters—yes, even one’s own life—cannot be my disciple."
Miram · 31-35, F
If you all stop pretending to care for the collateral damage in muslim communities, it would be great.

Sick and tired of all this fake online concern by you westerners

And stupid people joining in to defend bigoted majority beliefs just because that became the morally acceptable response.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 I noticed later that he is fine with killing children outside of his religion.

He sounds like a terrorist as far as I am concerned.
Miram · 31-35, F
@RocktheHouse That makes two of us.
FukFaceWillie · 46-50, M
You should hear what American Christians say! Yikes!
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
If my religion says I should kill LBGT or women, would you also support my right to practice that religion?

The notion that all religions should be respected disregards the possibility that some religions are potentially detrimental to society.
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@RocktheHouse All religion is potentially detrimental to society. The goal should be no religion at all.
But in the meantime, we can acknowledge that the higher the living standards get, the more rare religious extremism is.
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
@BohemianBoo How do you go from Protecting the right to practice Islam to Prohibiting all religions? Please explain that to me? lol
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@RocktheHouse Oh no, I'm not saying religion should be banned. We should definitely have freedom of religion.
However, we should try to eliminate religion by educating people and raising the living standards. Eventually, people will give up religion on their own.
redredred · M
It’s not a religion, it’s a war plan
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
@redredred You're right about that.
AvantLaLettre · 22-25, M
It's curious that the two types of people who think radical Islam is true Islam are: radical Muslims and people who strongly dislike Islam. You'd think those people would have little in common, but this is something they seem to be square on. 🤔
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
The truth about religions being constructs and spirituality being subjective and personal should be taught. No religion much less church or spiritual leader can be said to be trustworthy.
Northwest · M
[quote]The fact that Muhammad said it is okay to kill Christians and Jews[/quote]

So, which Quranic Surah is this part of? Seeing that you've read the Quran and everything.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Northwest OK, most, if not all forums, I have seen have an English language rule. Maybe some forums you are acquainted with allow posters to used intergalactic languages but I haven't had that experience.

Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?

If you were going to create a religion, why wouldn't you tie it back to the distant past where no one could easily dispute your lies. A few characters in the Bible actually existed, such as Darius, but others such as Moses, Abraham, Lot, Samson, and Jesus are a stretch. One thing is for sure and that is there was no one around them recording every word they said and what they did.
Northwest · M
@Diotrephes [quote]OK, most, if not all forums, I have seen have an English language rule. Maybe some forums you are acquainted with allow posters to used intergalactic languages but I haven't had that experience.

Fortunately, we don't have to play make believe. We're on SW, and on SW there are no such rules.

As to your claim that:

[quote]most, if not all forums[/quote]

I'm sure you did't just pull this claim out of thing air, right?

[quote]Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?

[quote]Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?

You're joking, right? What sect? What Mosque? What community? However, the traditional way to call our something form the Qura'n is to call the specific Surah first. This, however, is an individualized as the way priests, rabbis, etc. preach.

All of the Mosques I've been to in person, are not in the US, and for historical purposes only, and not during a live session, like the Aqsa Mosque.

[quote]If you were going to create a religion, why wouldn't you tie it back to the distant past where no one could easily dispute your lies. [/quote]

I have no idea what this means.

[quote]A few characters in the Bible actually existed, such as Darius, but others such as Moses, Abraham, Lot, Samson, and Jesus are a stretch. [/quote]

Again, I have no idea how this is connected to what I said, or you said for that matter. You claimed that Muhammad was an invention, yet there is nothing to back that up. With no Staples in the vicinity, to stock up on pens and paper, historical records are sketchy when it comes to Moses, Abraham, Lot and Samson, but tradition is usually connects to actual events. There seems to be some dots in the sand, connecting an Abraham, who migrated from Iraq, to (at the time) a lush land with plenty of water and green scenery, and once he got there, he said that the land is his, because "God" commanded it.

Lot may have stood out, because he liked to fuck boys. The Aramaic term for a homosexual, which morphed into similar sounding names in Hebrew and Arabic, is Loti.

Jesus: there seems to have been a guy, who today might be diagnosed with a multitude of mental disorders. He's Jewish for sure, and my evidence is simple: he thinks his mother is a virgin, and she thinks her son is God. Seems the guy was a genius, and a charismatic speaker, but he overpromised, and when he did not deliver the victory over the Romans that the Jews were expecting, they dumped him.

He spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew, and he was born as Yashu Ben Maryam. For westerners, the transition from Yashu to Jesus is phonetically understandable. That he can walk on water, or turn water into wine, is obviously debatable.

[quote]One thing is for sure and that is there was no one around them recording every word they said and what they did.[/quote]

Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Northwest Thanks for your comments.
lever2000 · 46-50, M
Islam, like every religion, is whatever its adherents make of it.
FukFaceWillie · 46-50, M
I know many Muslims, and they are quite routine.
Me: radical islam? 🤔

Also me :

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@Concretedust or politics
@Tastyfrzz religion is politics
Unlearn · 36-40, M
It's not a religion it's a political discourse...
InHeaven · F
Islam is idolatry
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
@ServantOfTheGoddess Find a new word.
ServantOfTheGoddess · 56-60, M
@RocktheHouse No need to, that is the precise term.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
[quote]O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, blessed is he who repays you as you have done to us. 9Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

— Psalm 137:9
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@RocktheHouse so you're saying during war it's okay to kill infants? What happened to being "pro-life"?
RocktheHouse · 36-40, M
@basilfawlty89 Yes, of course. In times of war, I'm not saving the enemy's children. If the enemy is trying to destroy my people for no good reason, simply because they want our land and want to enslave my people? Do you think I won't hesitate to kill them like they kill us? Dude, grow up and stop the nonsense. There's no time for being humane in war. That doesn't contradict being pro-life.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@RocktheHouse it entirely does. You claim children are innocent lives. Yet here you are enthusiastically applauding infanticide and genocide. You're beneath my scorn with your hypocrisy. You have no morals.

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