True Islam is radical Islam. The fact that Muhammad said it is okay to kill Christians and Jews makes the religion a violent religion.

@RocktheHouse But they do it all the same. Europe became Christian through bloodshed and ethnic cleansing. Happily, since the early 20th century, the situation in Europe is reversing.

@Ceinwyn The situation in Europe is reversing on many levels - including war, crime and poverty.

@RocktheHouse There are no corners of the globe where there is not war crime and poverty.

@LeopoldBloom The obligatory insult thrown at [i]Christians in the US.[/i] What a surprise, Goober.

@basilfawlty89 [quote]let's look at statistics. It's firstly not the majority of Muslims who practice first cousin marriage. It varies by country, but in the country that it's the highest (Pakistan), it's not even half the population.[/quote]
you got those stats to prove its not even half the Muslim population in say Pakistan?

@basilfawlty89 looked it up once more and In a study of 20 populous Islamic nations, an average of 49.8 percent of all marriages were to first cousins.

@RocktheHouse

[quote]I don't mean to be rudimentary but let's go back to my initial point. The Quran is a book that teaches violence. It teaches Muslims to kill the infidel - that includes you. In fact, you would be considered lower than an infidel in Islam.[/quote]

In fact, I've lived 5 out of the last 25 years in predominantly Muslim Countries, albeit as an American Airman and Officer, that being said, I had enough common sense to understand the culture and religion of the countries I was in and acted accordingly. if as you say the Quran teaches Muslims to "kill the infidel" which I'm not disputing but with Muslims comprising almost 1/4 of the World's Population, how many of them are killers? If they are indeed killers as you say, how come there aren't many more dead from this? You are attempting to paint all Muslims with the same brush we should use on the extremists. Most Muslims are just normal people with different religious beliefs than Christians, who by the way aren't lily white either, they are simply trying to survive and live out their lives like we do... Do all Christians follow and believe every verse in the Bible, no they don't and neither do Muslims follow every verse in the Quran.

@BohemianBoo Western countries are as guilty as any others in their duplicity.This is the devils realm,and any power that exists is only in power by allegience to him.Just as we were told as children,the devil is after your soul,the most precious commodity we own.

@lingerie Jesus demands hate. He doesn't want you unless you hate everyone.

Luke 14:26 (CEB) = “Whoever comes to me and doesn’t hate father and mother, spouse and children, and brothers and sisters—yes, even one’s own life—cannot be my disciple."

@pedrohedgerow

According to the Torah or Law of Moses, a woman falsely representing herself as a virgin before the marriage ceremony gets the death penalty.

Worshipping Baal Peor. The death penalty here was specifically impalement.

Death for a prophet who says to follow gods other than Yahweh

Death for a person who follows gods other than Yahweh

During the period that the Israelites wandered the wilderness, examples include: A man was stoned for gathering wood on Sabbath, while another was stoned for blasphemy. In the rebellion of Korah, the ground opened up swallowing Korah, other leaders, and their families; and a heavenly fire consumed another 250 followers.

The next day, all the Israelites railed against Moses and Aaron, blaming them for the deaths, and God sent a plague that killed another 14,700.

During the period of Kings, examples include: Elijah captured and "slaughtered" the prophets of Baal. King Asa and the tribes who followed him made a covenant to worship God and "whoever would not worship the LORD God of Israel would be put to death."

King Ahab eliminated Naboth (to get his land) by getting false witnesses to testify that Naboth had blasphemed God and the King.

@Human1000 Thank you for proving the validity of my words,and Good Bless!

@redredred I'd say the war crimes Russia is committing in Ukraine rises to that level. And Israel's occupation of Gaza has been an incredibly long-running series of war crimes.
In both cases, religion is being used to justify the crimes. That's another thing worth mentioning. Whenever a government committed atrocities, and religion was used as justification, religious people were more likely to go along with it.

@BohemianBoo I’d say thats quite a stretch to call Russia’s invasion an act of Christian terrorism. You’re really out on a limb with that one. Really.

And the issue here is muslim vs Christian terrorism; you can leave Israel and general religious reactions out of it.

@redredred Not what I said. I said that Russia is using Christianity to justify the invasion, much like ISIS uses Islam to justify what they do. Religion has always been a tool for the powerful to manufacture consent to the public.

Well the OP was about Islam being violent. My stance is that all religions have violence in their holy texts and traditions. And every religion is used to justify violence.

@Burnley123 I noticed later that he is fine with killing children outside of his religion.

He sounds like a terrorist as far as I am concerned.

@RocktheHouse That makes two of us.

@redredred You're right about that.

@Northwest OK, most, if not all forums, I have seen have an English language rule. Maybe some forums you are acquainted with allow posters to used intergalactic languages but I haven't had that experience.

Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?

If you were going to create a religion, why wouldn't you tie it back to the distant past where no one could easily dispute your lies. A few characters in the Bible actually existed, such as Darius, but others such as Moses, Abraham, Lot, Samson, and Jesus are a stretch. One thing is for sure and that is there was no one around them recording every word they said and what they did.

@Diotrephes [quote]OK, most, if not all forums, I have seen have an English language rule. Maybe some forums you are acquainted with allow posters to used intergalactic languages but I haven't had that experience.
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Fortunately, we don't have to play make believe. We're on SW, and on SW there are no such rules.

As to your claim that:

[quote]most, if not all forums[/quote]

I'm sure you did't just pull this claim out of thing air, right?

[quote]Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?
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[quote]Can you explain how mullahs cite chapter and verse in their preaching?
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You're joking, right? What sect? What Mosque? What community? However, the traditional way to call our something form the Qura'n is to call the specific Surah first. This, however, is an individualized as the way priests, rabbis, etc. preach.

All of the Mosques I've been to in person, are not in the US, and for historical purposes only, and not during a live session, like the Aqsa Mosque.

[quote]If you were going to create a religion, why wouldn't you tie it back to the distant past where no one could easily dispute your lies. [/quote]

I have no idea what this means.

[quote]A few characters in the Bible actually existed, such as Darius, but others such as Moses, Abraham, Lot, Samson, and Jesus are a stretch. [/quote]

Again, I have no idea how this is connected to what I said, or you said for that matter. You claimed that Muhammad was an invention, yet there is nothing to back that up. With no Staples in the vicinity, to stock up on pens and paper, historical records are sketchy when it comes to Moses, Abraham, Lot and Samson, but tradition is usually connects to actual events. There seems to be some dots in the sand, connecting an Abraham, who migrated from Iraq, to (at the time) a lush land with plenty of water and green scenery, and once he got there, he said that the land is his, because "God" commanded it.

Lot may have stood out, because he liked to fuck boys. The Aramaic term for a homosexual, which morphed into similar sounding names in Hebrew and Arabic, is Loti.

Jesus: there seems to have been a guy, who today might be diagnosed with a multitude of mental disorders. He's Jewish for sure, and my evidence is simple: he thinks his mother is a virgin, and she thinks her son is God. Seems the guy was a genius, and a charismatic speaker, but he overpromised, and when he did not deliver the victory over the Romans that the Jews were expecting, they dumped him.

He spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew, and he was born as Yashu Ben Maryam. For westerners, the transition from Yashu to Jesus is phonetically understandable. That he can walk on water, or turn water into wine, is obviously debatable.

[quote]One thing is for sure and that is there was no one around them recording every word they said and what they did.[/quote]

Right.

@Northwest Thanks for your comments.

@SW-User or politics

@ServantOfTheGoddess Find a new word.

@RocktheHouse No need to, that is the precise term.

@RocktheHouse so you're saying during war it's okay to kill infants? What happened to being "pro-life"?

@basilfawlty89 Yes, of course. In times of war, I'm not saving the enemy's children. If the enemy is trying to destroy my people for no good reason, simply because they want our land and want to enslave my people? Do you think I won't hesitate to kill them like they kill us? Dude, grow up and stop the nonsense. There's no time for being humane in war. That doesn't contradict being pro-life.

@RocktheHouse it entirely does. You claim children are innocent lives. Yet here you are enthusiastically applauding infanticide and genocide. You're beneath my scorn with your hypocrisy. You have no morals.

@RocktheHouse All religion is potentially detrimental to society. The goal should be no religion at all.
But in the meantime, we can acknowledge that the higher the living standards get, the more rare religious extremism is.

@BohemianBoo How do you go from Protecting the right to practice Islam to Prohibiting all religions? Please explain that to me? lol

@RocktheHouse Oh no, I'm not saying religion should be banned. We should definitely have freedom of religion.
However, we should try to eliminate religion by educating people and raising the living standards. Eventually, people will give up religion on their own.