Christmas is originally a pagan holiday.

I saw a post on tik tok this morning on how Christmas is a Christian holiday and those who have beef with Christianity shouldn’t bother to celebrate it.

Ironically a lot of Europeans would have most likely ended up still celebrating some sort of holiday similar to Christmas today even if they never encountered Christianity. Because “Christmas “ is originally rooted in winter pagan traditions/holidays.

Romans were pagans before they transitioned to Christianity.
And in pagan Europe there was all sorts of winter solstice festivals
Like “yule” and “saturnalia”
If you look them up , you’ll immediately notice how they’r very similar to Christmas and predate it.

Christmas might have been a replacement / copy
of “festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti”
Which was basically a Roman festival on December 25th where Roman’s celebrated the sun ☀god .
This is why even though Jesus was not born on December the 25th, the Romans chose this date so the day they celebrate their new God aligns with their previous Pagan winter solstice festivals and turned a pagan holiday into a Christian one .

Now I do not mean that the Christians who do celebrate Christmas are pagan
Nor am I implying that Christmas doesn’t have a religious significance to Christians
However i believe it’s plagiarism and inaccurate for someone to claim that Christmas is rooted in Christianity and is Christian holiday
When its a literally copy of pagan winter holidays , created by Romans and not even by Jesus or his disciples .

I don’t celebrate Christmas but I know many atheists and agnostics who do and believe me it’s not like you have a less of right to it.

Wish you all happy holidays ~

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bookerdana · M

ST Hippolytus (170-236)set the date of Christ's birth..,using a formula Starting with March 1st and Saturnalia is earlier than December 25th

nobodyishome · 31-35, F

@bookerdana wtf does that mean

bookerdana · M

@nobodyishome ????

nobodyishome · 31-35, F

@bookerdana what does that mean what you posted

bookerdana · M

@nobodyishome St Hippolytus set the dates for Christmas🤷‍♂

nobodyishome · 31-35, F

@bookerdana like, a Hippo did?

bookerdana · M

@nobodyishome 🤦‍♀Put it in yer Google search..did Hippolytus set the date of Christs birth..

nobodyishome · 31-35, F

@bookerdana did Hippopotamus set the date of christs birthday? 😂😂😂

Moon3624 · 18-21, F

@bookerdana
Christmas is fundamentally Christian
However Christmas itself is not founded by Christianity or Christians as it’s a copy paste of previous pagan European winter holidays and traditions and that’s the whole point of this post.

I didn’t say Saturnia is on 25th of December .
I said Christmas is copy paste version of pre Christianity pagan winter solstice festivals
As in Christmas isn’t created by Christianity or Christians , the concept already existed .
Like saturnalia and yule which btw were both in winter
And their traditions are similar to that of Christmas
Coincidence?
“festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti”
Is the one that was on the December 25th of December .
It was when pagan Romans celebrated their sun god before they became
Christian .
Ur telling me after they converted to Christianity
It’s just so randomly that the birth of their God was also on the 25th of December ?
Come on you and i know that is ridiculous 😅

Jesus’s birthday is not mentioned in the Bible
“Christmas “ isn’t mentioned in the Bible nor was it celebrated by Jesus or his followers.
Romans just changed the name of their already existing pagan winter holidays to Christmas that’s all.
Lighting of tree and tree decorations
feast
Gift gifting
Candles and lights
The Carrol’s etc all rooted in pagan winter festivals

I mean even Santa clause is probably rooted in the pagan story of Odin riding an eight legged house bringing gifts during yule

bookerdana · M

@Moon3624 I never even mentioned Saturnalia merely that ST Hippolytus (170-236) set the date for Christmas

Moon3624 · 18-21, F

@bookerdana he set it to 25th of December to match their winter solstice and Roman festival of dies natalis solis invicti

bookerdana · M

@Moon3624 natalis solis invicti was set in 274🤔

In recent years, the scholarly community has become divided on Sol between traditionalists and a growing group of revisionists.[6] In the traditional view, Sol Invictus was the second of two different sun gods in Rome. The first of these, Sol Indiges, or Sol, was believed to be an early Roman god of minor importance whose cult had petered out by the first century AD. Sol Invictus, on the other hand, was believed to be a Syrian sun god whose cult was first promoted in Rome under Elagabalus, without success. Some fifty years later, in 274 AD, Aurelian established the cult of Sol Invictus as an official religion.[7] There has never been consensus on which Syrian sun god he might have been: some scholars opted for the sky god of Emesa, Elagabal,[3] while others preferred Malakbel of Palmyra.[8][9] In the revisionist view, there was only one cult of Sol in Rome, continuous from the monarchy to the end of antiquity. There were at least three temples of Sol in Rome, all active during the Empire and all dating from the earlier Republic.[10][11][12][13]

Wikipedia,natch but enter the Syrians😱

nobodyishome · 31-35, F

@bookerdana st hippoptamys?

Moon3624 · 18-21, F

@bookerdana
Roman festival of dies natalis solis invicti preceded Christmas .
It’s literally a fact.
It is dated back to 274 CE
The celebration of Christmas started around 4th century
And
Yule goes back to early Iron Age
And saturnalia 490 bc

Christmas is the Christianization of already existing European winter solstice festivals

Meaning even if Europeans never encountered Christianity they’d would have still ended up celebrating something similar to Christmas today and that’s the whole point of this post

I am not here debunking or debating religion I’m just saying something very logical
The “concept “ of Christmas already existed before Christianity .
Plus the Bible itself never teaches you to celebrate something called Christmas neither does it teach you specific traditions on how to celebrate it
So you cannot claim it’s a Bible / religion stemmed thing.
How did you come up with it ?
Because you already were in a culture who had such festivals.

The existence of winter solstice festivals before Christianity in pagan Roman Empire and Europe is a fact.

Again I said that Christmas is fundamentally Christian but it’s like a copy of earlier festivals / holidays .

I don’t see an issue with my statement

bookerdana · M

@Moon3624 Gonna include Hanukah??The Sol thing

Anyway enjoy yer day🙂

Moon3624 · 18-21, F

@bookerdana
I think you missed the entire point of what I said haha

I said something very simple
Christmas isn’t mentioned in the Bible
There is a consensus among scholars that Jesus and his followers never did celebrate it because Christmas was ordained by Romans and Romans weren’t Christian during the time when Jesus was alive
On top of that
How you celebrate it (like the steps and traditions )
Are not mentioned in the Bible either
So how is it Bible/ religion based for u to claim that it is a holiday that stems from bible / Christianity ?

how did u you come up with those traditions?
You didn’t…
Candle lightening
Feasts
Carrol singing
Santa clause
Tree decoration and lightening
Etc etc

Are all rooted in pre Christian winter solstice traditions and mythology
The Romans who started the celebration of something called Christmas
all they did is adapt their former pagan festivals / holidays into Christianity and give it a new name.

So can you explain to me how am I wrong when I said that Europeans would have most likely ended up celebrating something similar to Christmas today even if they never encountered Christianity because they already did have something similar to it before they did encounter Christianity ? I feel like this is common sense and it doesn’t debunk ur religion at all.

Honestly this is not even worth such long discussions over
So nvm and have a happy Christmas 🌸💕

As for Hanukkah I haven’t done my research on it so frankly I don’t know its origin cuz this post for now is about Christmas

this dude might help you @LeopoldBloom
cuz he’s a Jew

bookerdana · M

@Moon3624 I agree He was probably born in the spring..many churches forbid the celebration of Christmas in the U.S. ,the old Satan Clause thing but Saint Nicholas was real enough..no suit or reindeer