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Christmas is originally a pagan holiday.

I saw a post on tik tok this morning on how Christmas is a Christian holiday and those who have beef with Christianity shouldn’t bother to celebrate it.

Ironically a lot of Europeans would have most likely ended up still celebrating some sort of holiday similar to Christmas today even if they never encountered Christianity. Because “Christmas “ is originally rooted in winter pagan traditions/holidays.

Romans were pagans before they transitioned to Christianity.
And in pagan Europe there was all sorts of winter solstice festivals
Like “yule” and “saturnalia”
If you look them up , you’ll immediately notice how they’r very similar to Christmas and predate it.

Christmas might have been a replacement / copy
of “festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti”
Which was basically a Roman festival on December 25th where Roman’s celebrated the sun ☀god .
This is why even though Jesus was not born on December the 25th, the Romans chose this date so the day they celebrate their new God aligns with their previous Pagan winter solstice festivals and turned a pagan holiday into a Christian one .



Now I do not mean that the Christians who do celebrate Christmas are pagan
Nor am I implying that Christmas doesn’t have a religious significance to Christians
However i believe it’s plagiarism and inaccurate for someone to claim that Christmas is rooted in Christianity and is Christian holiday
When its a literally copy of pagan winter holidays , created by Romans and not even by Jesus or his disciples .


I don’t celebrate Christmas but I know many atheists and agnostics who do and believe me it’s not like you have a less of right to it.


Wish you all happy holidays ~
nobodyishome · 31-35, F
it's a holiday nonetheless. Holidays are fun
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
nobodyishome · 31-35, F
@jshm2 go away!
Nunki · 31-35, F
It is normal for religions to be influenced by the surrounding cultural environment & previous faiths. Like in Islam the pilgrimage dates back to the time of Abraham. Even in the pre-Islamic era أيام الجاهلية they used to go around the Kaaba. Christianity too was influenced by other cultures but mostly in terms of the symbolic aspects of celebrations. Christmas carries a profound spiritual significance.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@Nunki
اقول هالويين مو عيد

ههههههههه
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@Nunki
هديتي لك
عشان ماتزعلين 😂😂😂


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ايش رأيك بالدلع بس
في غيري يدلعك كذا ؟
Nunki · 31-35, F
هههه بالضبططط
Aww
شكرا حبيبتي🫶🏽
@Moon3624
bookerdana · M
ST Hippolytus (170-236)set the date of Christ's birth..,using a formula Starting with March 1st and Saturnalia is earlier than December 25th
bookerdana · M
@Moon3624 Gonna include Hanukah??The Sol thing


Anyway enjoy yer day🙂
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@bookerdana
I think you missed the entire point of what I said haha

I said something very simple
Christmas isn’t mentioned in the Bible
There is a consensus among scholars that Jesus and his followers never did celebrate it because Christmas was ordained by Romans and Romans weren’t Christian during the time when Jesus was alive
On top of that
How you celebrate it (like the steps and traditions )
Are not mentioned in the Bible either
So how is it Bible/ religion based for u to claim that it is a holiday that stems from bible / Christianity ?


how did u you come up with those traditions?
You didn’t…
Candle lightening
Feasts
Carrol singing
Santa clause
Tree decoration and lightening
Etc etc

Are all rooted in pre Christian winter solstice traditions and mythology
The Romans who started the celebration of something called Christmas
all they did is adapt their former pagan festivals / holidays into Christianity and give it a new name.



So can you explain to me how am I wrong when I said that Europeans would have most likely ended up celebrating something similar to Christmas today even if they never encountered Christianity because they already did have something similar to it before they did encounter Christianity ? I feel like this is common sense and it doesn’t debunk ur religion at all.


Honestly this is not even worth such long discussions over
So nvm and have a happy Christmas 🌸💕



As for Hanukkah I haven’t done my research on it so frankly I don’t know its origin cuz this post for now is about Christmas



this dude might help you @LeopoldBloom
cuz he’s a Jew
bookerdana · M
@Moon3624 I agree He was probably born in the spring..many churches forbid the celebration of Christmas in the U.S. ,the old Satan Clause thing but Saint Nicholas was real enough..no suit or reindeer
Confined · 56-60, M
I knew it was partly a pagen thing with the christmas tree, but was not aware the romans set the date.
Festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti”
Which was basically a Roman festival on December 25th where Roman’s celebrated the sun ☀god .
interesting.
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Have a great day !!!!
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@YourMomsSecretCrush
Awh you too !
If Jesus was a real person, he would have been born in the Spring anyway.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@LeopoldBloom
For us
we don’t know when he was born
But we do think it was likely in spring or summer and not winter
@Moon3624 “When shepherds watched their flocks by night” would have been in the spring.

The most likely explanation was that Jesus was a real person who, like many others, preached in 1st century Judea and was executed by the Romans. After his death, his followers embellished his legend leading to the character we know today.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@LeopoldBloom
the Quran (chapter 19) has a different narrative to the story of Mary and Jesus .
That when she got into labour
She went to a remote place to avoid people
And
Within the story she shakes a trunk of Palm tree and ripe dates were dropped upon her
If she was outside and there were dates too
It would indicate spring - summer time rather than winter for sure

 
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