cant stand feminists and this video shows why perfectly

@CestManan i have nothing against trans women in general. I take issue with certain things though and that to others makes me a transphobe.
Weird how you cant criticize certain things about the trans community without being transphobic or in love with them.
I think its perfectly reasonable to acknowledge they are not the same as biological females, That children should not chemically transition and for those who went through male puberty to not be allowed to compete against biological women.
but hey if that makes me transphobic, so be it. If it makes me in love with trans people, so be it.

@Torsten [quote]Weird how you cant criticize certain things about the trans community without being transphobic or in love with them.[/quote]
It would be one thing if you were engaging in reasonable criticism. But you're not. You deny the very basis of who these people are.
[quote]...children should not chemically transition...[/quote]
Certainly not without undergoing counseling. Which they do. But it's the practice of transphobes to misrepresent the process to make it sound like there's no psychological treatment going on before the chemical transition.
[quote]...for those who went through male puberty to not be allowed to compete against biological women.[/quote]
If only there was a way to divide women's sports by weight class or something in order to prevent people from being mismatched. Oh, wait, there is.
[quote]but hey if that makes me transphobic, so be it.[/quote]
First step is admitting it, White Pride.

@LordShadowfire [quote]It would be one thing if you were engaging in reasonable criticism. But you're not. You deny the very basis of who these people are.[/quote]
no that is what you do when acting as those they are the exact same as biological women or males

[quote]Certainly not without undergoing counseling[/quote]
no, not when their brains are still developing. We dont let kids drink alcohol or smoke but people let the chemically alter their bodies. Yeah i dont think so

[quote]If only there was a way to divide women's sports by weight class or something in order to prevent people from being mismatched. Oh, wait, there is.[/quote]
there is no class to put trans women in on their own so once again you miss the point

[quote]First step is admitting it, White Pride.[/quote]
look how obsessed you are over the white race. Its sad just like making two accounts and talking to yourself through them

@Torsten I was just kidding. Though I do not agree with some of your posts, I have no problems with you. I cannot help but wonder why some people who are not part of the LGBT give so much thought to things like trans issues.

My question with trans women in women's sports though is - wouldn't most athletes of any gender want a [b]fair[/b] challenge? It is no fun if you already KNOW you are going to win.

One doesn't improve their game by competing against someone who has no chance. What then would be the satisfaction of winning?

@CestManan i have no issue with you also and you dont have to like my posts. thats cool.
I think its because trans issues are shoved in our faces so much these days and it effects women more than anything or should i say birthing people like a community would prefer to refer to as women now?
Its all getting too much and eventually what defines a woman will be meaningless because anyone can just be whatever they want.

Most trans women athletes who go into womens athletics were mediocre male athletes first. they failed there and go to womens leagues and dominate.
the fact more people dont speak up over this baffles me.

@Torsten I do not believe that trans women in women's sports is as widespread as the media wants us to believe. It does happen some though.

Also I do not think TG is as widespread either as the media wants us to think. There ARE some "loud" TG out there but most just try to live quiet, normal lives because they do not want to be part of the circus that the media makes it out to be.

@CestManan i agree with you. Its the activists, media and all that that puts such a bad light on them all. I know most want to just live a happy normal life and be treated like anyone else and for them i wish them all the happiest of lives.
My issue is on the things i already mentioned and for the most part it isnt even trans people deciding on those things. its others.

@Torsten You mean like other entities are deciding to put TG women into women's sports?

@CestManan sports commission or those in charge for sure. they make the rules and allow it. Cant blame trans people for capitalizing on it but that doesnt mean i accept it.

Doctors and so on allow chemically altering childrens bodies.

Techers and so on let drag queens into schools.

its mostly always others making the rules so my issue is if not more with them for most cases.
but you cant say any of this because once you do, people that are not even trans get offended.
Its funny, i actually had a convo with a trans person here the other day and that person had very similar opinions to myself on certain things i have talked about.
I just find it funny that others get far more offended for trans people than many trans people get themselves. Its as if people just want to be offended and act like a savior as if they're saving trans people from all these transphobic fascist bigots haha

@Torsten [quote]no that is what you do when acting as those they are the exact same as biological women or males[/quote]
You didn't say they weren't the [i]same[/i] as cisgender males or females. That would be different. You said transwomen [i]aren't real women.[/i]
[quote]no, not when their brains are still developing. We dont let kids drink alcohol or smoke but people let the chemically alter their bodies. Yeah i dont think so[/quote]
Do you have a medical degree? No. Neither do I. What say we let those who [i]do[/i] have medical degrees decide that one, hmmm?
[quote]there is no class to put trans women in on their own so once again you miss the point[/quote]
Because there is no single weight class into which all transwomen fall. They come in all shapes and sizes.
[quote]look how obsessed you are over the white race.[/quote]
Said the man who dedicated an entire post to white pride.
[quote]Techers and so on let drag queens into schools.[/quote]
So what? They're reading stories to children. Ordinary, family-friendly stories. Or are you now adopting the homophobic stance that all gay people are pedophiles?
@CestManan
[quote]I cannot help but wonder why some people who are not part of the LGBT give so much thought to things like trans issues.[/quote]

@LordShadowfire [quote]You didn't say they weren't the same as cisgender males or females. That would be different. You said transwomen aren't real women.[/quote]
no such thing as cisgender people, so yeah of course i wouldnt say that shit

[quote]Do you have a medical degree? No. Neither do I. What say we let those who do have medical degrees decide that one, hmmm?[/quote]
you dont need a medical degree to know common knowledge that gets taught in schools

[quote]Said the man who dedicated an entire post to white pride.[/quote]
yes to prove a point that you masterfully provide evidence for everytime you reply to me

nice attempt at photo editing 🤣.
(that is sarcasm btw. I am near certain that went right over your head)

@Torsten I imagine and would bet the reason some things are done like the drag queen story hour or TG in womens sports is because it DOES create a ton of controversy and we all know controversy sells. If there were no money to be made from people making videos, arguing etc, you can bet it all that none of that stuff would happen. It has nothing to do with TG rights and EVERYthing to do with people trying to make a buck off the arguments.

@LordShadowfire Might want to delete that pic, I think it's against TOS. I mean *I* am not trippin but some people would.

@Torsten [quote]no such thing as cisgender people[/quote]
Well, [i]I[/i] sure ain't no trans.
[quote]you dont need a medical degree to know common knowledge that gets taught in schools[/quote]
Oh, so it's [i]common knowledge[/i] that hormones like the ones your body produces cause brain damage, or whatever you claim?
[quote]yes to prove a point that you masterfully provide evidence for everytime you reply to me[/quote]
Is that why you talk shit about people who acknowledge the oppression black and Hispanic people have historically endured?
[quote]nice attempt at photo editing 🤣.[/quote]
Wasn't supposed to be convincing. I just wanted a quick picture of you in the closet. Did THAT part go over YOUR head, White Pride?
@CestManan [quote]Might want to delete that pic, I think it's against TOS. I mean *I* am not trippin but some people would.[/quote]
Eh... I made my point with it.

@CestManan oh 100%. It puts a spotlight on them and gets more attention and high ratings. this is what its about to them, not trans rights or womens rights.

@Torsten On a lighter note - about the drag queen story hour - When I was in school I would not have minded it provided they were fully clothed. Reason is - we remember how boring school was so ANY distraction from math, literature, social studies, etc was welcomed. 😄

Like even when an unannounced fire drill went off I would think, "Alright, maybe the place is actually burning down this time!"

@CestManan as a parent do you think you would feel the same?

@Torsten If it were something indecent I would not really want my son there but like I said if fully clothed and the story were age appropriate, no problem.

I mean the stories couldn't possibly be any worse than some of the ones we had to read in school. Like the version of "the three golden apples" where any man who lost the race to the princess had to be decapitated. It went on to say, "But every day many men had to die."

That was just one of many F*CKED UP violent stories we had to hear or read, stuff NO child needs to be reading

@CestManan [quote]If it were something indecent I would not really want my son there but like I said if fully clothed and the story were age appropriate, no problem.[/quote]
And in spite of the homophobic narrative that these people are somehow brainwashing children into becoming homosexual or transgender, that is quite literally all that is happening. A man in a dress reading age-appropriate stories to children.

@CorvusBlackthorne I do not think someone can be brainwashed into becoming LGBT or straight. Of course during upbringing we are told who and what we should be. Each of us makes up our own minds eventually though. If someone is gay or straight, cis or trans, no amount of "trying to change them" is going to matter.

As we know already, that is to say that young ones just cannot be indoctrinated to be something they are not. In the past, they tried several types of therapy to make gay people straight and it didn't work so it stands to reason that a naturally straight person cannot be "changed" into LGBT.

I wish people would realize that.

@CestManan I was of course using the term facetiously. Only an absolute fool believes it is possible to convert anyone from one orientation to another, or from one gender identification to another. However, the fact remains that this world is full of fools.

@CestManan you should go watch videos people have made on youtube about their detransition and how they were misled to believe they were something they were not. Plenty of them out there

@Torsten Oh I have seen those videos. At that age it is between a rock and a hard place. If they are truly TG but have to wait to transition, not only will it cost a lot more trying to make the changes but their success will be limited.
If they start early and have a successful one but later decide it wasn't for them, changing back will cost a fortune and once again limited success. In both cases it is like trying to mold clay after it is already dry and set. There is no easy answer to this whole situation.

Some do regret transitioning or not but supposedly most do not regret. I do not imagine too many young people are forced of coaxed into transition in the same manner our good ol govt tried to force those vaccines.

Most importantly, it is true that many people do make mistakes in their earlier age that can then take years or a lifetime to fix. We can be told to do or not do something but we all had to make our own mistakes. Haven't we all said, "I should have done this or that"?
How many of us wish we had went to college? How many disabled vets wish they had not signed up for the military?

Speaking of - I find it interesting how people are up in arms about the very tiny percentage of young people transitioning yet society has no problems sending their young men (who, like young TG, do not know any better) off to the military to possibly die in some war.

One thing - despite the stories about five year olds given hormones, from what I understand it is right around when puberty starts that blockers are given, NOT preschoolers.

@Torsten [quote]you should go watch videos people have made on youtube about their detransition and how they were misled to believe they were something they were not. Plenty of them out there[/quote]
If that's true, it's a damn shame. A proper transition should involve plenty of counseling by a trained professional before any physical changes are made.