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Why are people who have been double jabbed still going to hospital?

In the UK there's this politics guy whos had the double jab and is still having to isolate! If 'science' is so good, how can people who get double vaccinated still get sick?
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
You can still get COVID while vaccined. It's just less dangerous.
InHeaven · F
Its MORE dangerous and deadly after the vaxx@SinlessOnslaught
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
@InHeaven How do you know?
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
It's never going to be 100% effective, I believe they made that common knowledge.
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
@KuroNeko They did.
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
Science never claimed that it was perfect. And mutating viruses are a thing.
4meAndyou · F
There is an extremely contagious variant of the virus, (Delta), which can cause breakthrough infections even in those who have been completely vaccinated. It's been happening in the USA, too. The infected person will NOT get very sick unless they are immune compromised.

The vaccines were developed to help protect, not to eliminate all risk.
liloleme123 · 51-55, M
@4meAndyou "The infected person will NOT get very sick unless they are immune compromised."
Not true. Covid effects people differently so it's impossible to say, that's just speculation. even double jabbas. Also see july stats i posted earlier.
liloleme123 · 51-55, M
92000 cases. Ridiculously low death rate. Jabbed or not.
SW-User
Having to isolate has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccine, and doesn't necessarily mean you're suffering any symptoms.

As a fellow member from the UK, I can tell you this is just the result of poorly planned policies. If you're double vaccinated, you still have to isolate if you get "pinged" by the NHS App, that is until mid-August where this will no longer be a requirement. The reason being that the government are trying to wait until more people are vaccinated so that the chances of another increase in cases is less likely, and less severe.

However, don't think this means the vaccines are ineffective. The fact there are much fewer hospital admissions and much fewer deaths tells us the vaccines are having the desired effect.
SW-User
@SW-User @Rolexeo you're a coward who blocks people who point out your errors. Nice going.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
Almost half of the deaths are from people that were double jabbed, which means there's no correlation between death and whether or not you get the vaccine. Which makes it pointless
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SW-User
@Rolexeo


[quote]yeah, seems legit[/quote] Hey, it's your source, not mine.

[quote]It still doesn't prove you right.[/quote] No. But it proves you totally wrong. The whole foundation of your argument was "there aren't excess deaths so nothing you say can be true". But the first thing your source says is "2020 and 2021 are projections, so don't include Covid data". You don't have any data to back up your claim. Whereas...

[quote]Source?[/quote] Easy. Go here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

1. Following link
2. Scroll down to "Daily deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate", which will ensure we exclude car accidents, natural causes etc.
3. Select "Data"
4. Scroll down to January 2021

You'll see daily deaths were topping 1,400. Now scroll back up to July, after we've had a huge vaccine rollout. Now tell me what the daily figures are during the current peak in July? Vaccines save lives, dude.

[quote] These methods are laughable. [/quote] Which is why we don't count car accidents in the UK! Jesus dude, I don't think you've read a single thing I've said. Covid won't be on your death certificate if you die as a result of a car accident, so the ONS won't count it in their covid numbers. Ergo, the system works.

Here, read this so you finally understand. Car accidents aren't counted: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics?:uri=aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

I don't know where you live, maybe in the states, but most countries are now working off death certificates. Which means your "flaw" doesn't exist. You're getting angry over nothing.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
@SW-User I like how you never quote the whole of what I say, just one sentence taken out of context, love it.

No it doesn't. You'd have to first establish that you're right by providing the stats.

"Vaccines save lives dude"? Stop with the smug snarkyness, holy shit. Nobody said they don't, we're saying this one doesn't.

So nobody is dying of the delta variant, got it.

That's clearly not true though, tons of evidence has shown that isn't the case, especially the fact that flu deaths are under 2k for this year, a point which you've completely ignored.

Angry?

Yeah, I think we're done here, you're not here to debate honestly
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
Huh?
Is he hospitalized or just isolating?
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@IndigoSavage Who are you talking about?
IndigoSavage · 22-25, F
@EuphoricTurtle I don't know his name, he's some bald politician guy
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@IndigoSavage Sajid Javid? He was never hospitalized

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/health-secretary-sajid-javid-full-recovery-coronavirus-1119617
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curiosi · 61-69, F
Because it's NOT a vaccine. They just call it that.
InHeaven · F
Because it’s garbage...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
according to "science", it's natural selection... "survival of the fittest"

maybe all these mindless drones just aren't fit to survive? 🤔
ticklerguy · M
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Waterfall52 · 46-50, M
Good point
Some people have damaged immune systems and they don't discover that fact until a nasty virus illuminates the issue. Recent data says the mRNA vaccine is 95% effective against the original Covid virus and 88% against the Delta variant. No vaccine is perfect, and these are darned good.

More data out of the US: 97% of those hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated, and 99.5% of those dying of Covid are unvaccinated. With about 60% of the US population fully vaccinated, those numbers tell you the vaccine is doing wonders.

 
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