Well done to all the twats protesting against lockdown restrictions in london

@Miram 1- COVID-19–related myocarditis can cause heart attacks, same for thrombosis obviously and many other presentations that can mean the Heart attack is caused by COVID-19 [c=#BF0000]But if something other than covid kills someone then report it as such[/c]

2- Cancer patients not recieving proper care is the result of an overwhelmed healthcare system? not of lockdowns. [c=#BF0000]Sorry I don't agree, people are not getting quick treatment because covid has taken priority. We all know the failings of the NHS because of under-funding (and bad management) peoples treatment is being delayed and people are dying because of covid. [/c]

3- Social distancing isn't enough because there are both businesses and people who would not follow the guidelines, and that will affect the healthcare system more, and because the virus can stay in air up to 3 hours in closed spaces. [c=#BF0000]Is the airborne thing proven fact or just something that might be true? It is up to the governments to govern and not let people do as they wish..when this isn't applied and ministers are seen to do the very thing they are telling the public not to do then I'm not surprised people lose respect and interest. They allowed huge gatherings for BLM and extinction rebellion then moan when the beaches are packed on the hottest day of the year. It's that serious that they didn't even close the borders!![/c]

It doesn't have to be the end of the world for politicians to follow the protocol that has been already proven as effective.

Lockdowns aren't extreme. Putting money over human lives is extreme, especially while we're assigning a number for how much deaths should matter. [c=#BF0000]We didn't have a lockdown..we had a grey do this and do that. I'll stand by what I said, thousand of people die every day, far more than covid is causing but our lives are being put on hold because of. I value life and am sorry that people are losing their lives, but a whole lot more people will die if we all act like sheep. Suicide rates for example are really high at present.[/c]

@SW-User

[b][quote]But if something other than covid kills someone then report it as such[/quote][/b]

Do you have any evidence of Doctors in the UK falsely reporting Non COVID-19 heart attacks as COVID-19 deaths?

Or is it fear based?

Also are you accusing me personally of anything?

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[quote]Sorry I don't agree, people are not getting quick treatment because covid has taken priority.[/quote]

Exactly what I am saying, it's overwhelming the system. It is not because of lockdowns. It is because of COVID-19 surging up and how much staff attention it needs.

Less COVID-19 hospitalized cases, more chances of staff attending to chronic ,terminal illnesses, cancers. Pretty simple.

Are you accusing medical professionals of hospitalizing cases which don't need it? Because I can't honestly see your point otherwise.

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[quote]Is the airborne thing proven fact or just something that might be true?[/quote]

It is something that many professionals including me know to warrant prevention measures. Better safe than sorry.

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[quote]when this isn't applied and ministers are seen to do the very thing they are telling the public not to do then I'm not surprised people lose respect and interest. They allowed huge gatherings for BLM and extinction rebellion then moan when the beaches are packed on the hottest day of the year. It's that serious that they didn't even close the borders!!
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I guess you didn't read my comment to you earlier. I made it more than clear what I think of the late actions. They weren't enough.

Two wrongs don't make a right, just because bunch of idiots were gathering, doesn't mean you all still do it. Same applies to stupid politicians.

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[quote] We didn't have a lockdown..we had a grey do this and do that.[/quote]

I know, that is why you still need to do a lockdown. Not enough though. I think your government is being too weak and cowardly to ensure they will always have their useless jobs and positions of power.

[quote] I value life and am sorry that people are losing their lives, [/quote]

Words have to be followed by actions.

As to suicide numbers increasing significantly in the UK, I have looked that up and can't find it in your official governmental website including ONS, source?

@Miram No, I'm not accusing you of anything personally, I actually have huge respect for you.
The suicide rate was just something I've read, perhaps I shouldn't believe all I read. Mind was quoted although it could be made up rubbish.
Another lockdown but strictly enforced will hurt beyond repair imo, lose jobs, lose homes and lose lives. I respect covid as real and am sad people are dying but people die every day. My point is I don't believe it is as bad as we're being told. This is why I said revisit this in a year.
I've seen a document saying that any trace of covid and the death should be reported as such...I don't believe 45,000 have died of covid in the uk.
I'm not sure the NHS has been overwhelmed. They built a new hospital in London and it hasn't been used...why is that? I believe the majority of the new cases won't need to use the NHS. All imo of course. You are free to give me facts and to educate me on why / how my opinion is wrong

@revenant life insurance for the elderly

@JovialPlutonian sage. The group advising the government.......that has no immunologist? Plenty of behavioural psychologists though. Done a trick you 😉

@gol979 I did find it humorous when they were first involved

@JovialPlutonian Atleast you have a little common sense

@revenant Not to worry. If you smoke or eat it won’t infect you. Very curtesy virus we have

@MrBrownstone and you have very little

@bookerdana it’s just so stupid, ppl again denying what’s right in front of their faces. The ignorance of our race is rather impressive.