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why is everything closing?

some places were needed during the pandemic and they didn't do well either.

Do younger people not shop anymore? Do younger people not cook any more? Do younger people not sew or do crafts anymore?

We don't need fancy clothing stores...that i get but if you don't cook then why are the restaurants dying?
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Pretzel · 70-79, M
I think the increased wages are killing restaurants. People aren't willing to pay the higher prices.

And Amazon and Walmart are doing a number on small business.

I'm guilty of amazoning instead of going to a local store.
@Pretzel i agree with two and three but one doesn't make sense to me. why would increased wages cause others to not pay for eating out....? of course i don't go out much
@Pretzel actually many fast food chains are considering automation as the alternative to paying people a fair wage; McDonald's and Taco Bell have already experimented with fully automated restaurants
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@LILY61
why would increased wages cause others to not pay for eating out.

The issue of wages vs. tips has not worked itself out yet. Tips originated as a way of rewarding, or at least recognizing, exemplary service, then became an expectation, and then a justification for restaurants (and others) to not pay living wages. Raising minimum wages is a more equitable way to go since the hardest workers -- the "busboys", scullery workers, etc. -- are seldom tipped, or share in the tips, and are a more predictable income. But rather than a corresponding reduction or elimination of tipping, the expected tip has risen to 20% and the latest "I'm for the little man" gimmick from politicians is elimination of the tax on tips. Which will push a rush into "tipping" as tax avoidance at every income level, imho. But that's a different thread. For the moment, restaurants are suffering from what consumers feel is the triple whammy of increased restaurant prices to pay for increased minimum wages and increased food costs, plus increased tips because the expected percentage has gone up (not down) and is on a higher subtotal.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
It's complicated. As many have pointed out, part of it is just the continuing evolution of merchandizing. You had general stores, then as communities became more urbanized specialized mom & pop stores, then "dime" stores , department stores and chains began eating into that, catalog sales for those living more remotely, then malls accommodating autos, then big box warehouse stores, and now online shopping eviscerating the malls and big boxes. Along the way, the better small mom and pop shops were able to survive by adapting: emphasizing customer service, quality products, specialized services, and frequently, moving from dying downtown locations to malls or strip malls. But too many of them -- and mall chains like Penney's, Macy's, etc. -- seemed to lose their ability to adapt to compete with online shopping. Instead of competing on the basis of customer service & quality of shopping experience as they had for generations, they began reducing staffing/stock/customer service in a futile attempt to compete on cost and convenience that they could never win.

That's the macro level explanation. Playing out beneath the service has been deplorable business practices by some of the bigger "winners": Safeway's continual redlining of neighborhoods and communities that don't meet their "image" needs; Walmart's extracti0ns of concessions from communities to open stores there and hiring of part-time workers to avoid providing benefits which tends to be a double hit on local tax payers, including their mom & pop competitors; Amazon's ruthless labor practices and use of their economic power.

And then you have the residue of the pandemic where employers found it was economically advantageous to continue having large swaths of the workforce continue working remotely, closing a lot of office buildings in downtowns and eliminating the foot traffic that small shops so depend upon.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@uikakarotuevegeta not at all surprised. They are already trying to get you to order on the app or order your meal from a touchscreen.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@dancingtongue and it's almost coming full circle. in the 1800s sears and penny's had a thriving catalogue business - Wards too.

people lived in rural areas not served by department stores so they would do mail order and have it delivered hundreds of miles.

Now we do it online.
@Pretzel well those kiosks were around like a decade ago at this point, but i think the virus is when they prioritized apps more; Walmart at least in Canada started to implement contactless card payments (by extension, that means Google, Samsung, and Apple Pay are supported) only after 2020
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@uikakarotuevegeta we still have a few of the kiosks here in the US - but they are not as prevalent as they once were.

Imagine eating your food from a production line - with only a person to make sure they machines are working right.

Yikes.
@Pretzel by kiosks, i meant those machines with the large touchscreens for ordering food at McDonald's lol; obviously humans still gotta make and deliver the food
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@uikakarotuevegeta yeah, I got it - we still have a few of them around - most people bypass them though as they don't seem all that intuitive

or maybe my boomer is showing :)
@uikakarotuevegeta that would be weird.
@dancingtongue you are supposed to give part of tips to busboys etc, @dancingtongue if you say so on the rest of it. i waited tables off and on and the wage and expected tip never rose then...maybe it has changed now
@Pretzel isn't it creepy? my husband eats out alot but every time we go there he has to tell me to go to the touch screen and i make him do the ordering...I mean, for goodness sakes. we are right there...why do we need to order from a kiosk if the front liners are right there.?
@Pretzel i wish they had gone back to catalogs
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@LILY61 I've never trusted that tips were shared, and there have been a few restaurants locally outed for keeping tips done on electronic pay or taking a cut on pooled tips. I try to give tips only in cash. And in places where I go regularly, I periodically slip cash to regular "busboys" . They are truly grateful. One woman, the first time I gave herself, thanked me profusely. Then, fearing her English was not good enough, pursued me out to the parking lot, cellphone translator in hand, to make sure she had thanked me properly.
ArtieKat · M
@Pretzel
I'm guilty of amazoning instead of going to a local store.

We had, until about a year ago, a local hardware store - whenever I went in for simple things I was told "Nah! Try Amazon"
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@ArtieKat Otoh, we have a local hardware store here that not only has survived being bookended by two Home Depots, in competition with a Lowe's and Amazon as well, but has thrived and expanded. How? Extensive, very knowledgeable and helpful staff, customer-friendly, and active in the community. People don't mind paying a little bit more when they get a lot more in return.
TheShanachie · 61-69, M
@dancingtongue I’m fortunate enough to have a hardware store like that too!
@LILY61 i haven't waited tables for 40 years so i don't know how people do their tips anymore...anyone?
TheShanachie · 61-69, M
@LILY61 I generally give a 20% tip and try to do it in cash. If they do anything exceptional I give a bit more. Sometimes if it is a small business I give a bit more also. It has to be a massive failure of service before I reduce the 20%.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@TheShanachie Likewise. And regular "busboys", scullery-type workers who are hard workers, I will slip cash to directly every so often, not trusting that the tips will be shared with them.