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Have you never heard of “clothing optional “?

So many people here have been shocked (I choose this word “shocked” to cover some of the reactions) that my grandparents have no problem with us not bothering with swimwear in the pools, or while sunbathing in the garden.

There are quite a few of us here, over time most of the upstairs rooms of all the outbuildings have been converted for human habitation, from their having been for several generations just left for the spiders and beetles.

Each of the buildings if it has a secondary use downstairs has been left to that. The goat shed is one such building. The floor above the goats is solid stone and there is no noise, odour or anything else apparent upstairs, where there are three bedrooms and a bathroom.

The rooms that were created from moving the tractors 🚜 to the barn has contributed to my grandparents having ten bedrooms available outside the main house. The farmhouse has six bedrooms, three bathrooms, on three levels above the grand salon, the music room, library, kitchen, dining room and storage rooms.

It isn’t a small place! The pools outside if they were reconfigured would give the area of one and a half Olympic swimming pools. The immediate area around the house is about a quarter hectare. In this there are orchards and vegetable gardens so that my grandparents can enjoy a self-sufficiency if they wanted. Lots of what they grow is used in the town for those least able to afford today’s prices.

The thing that gets me about people on here is their closed minds, and incapacity to thinking that there are people very different from them who do not live in (not want to live in) America. Yes it is usually Americans here who are truly blinkered to the rest of the world. The only Americans I feel happy to speak with here are veterans who have served in overseas wars and have lost a lot of the inability of seeing that the world is not America!
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SomeMichGuy · M Best Comment
I think I shared this with you before, but Samuel Langhorne Clemens, writing under the name "Mark Twain", had this conclusion to a steamship trip to Europe, around the Mediterranean, and back to the US:

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrowmindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

I keep seeing the truth of this as people in the US pull back from even minimal engagement with the world...or history...or knowledge...

Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
American vet here. Most of us are working class people who joined the military and were stationed at (or visited) places outside the US. Going "out in town" and meeting the locals and seeing how things work is an educational experience. I was stationed at Sigonella in Catania province in the 80s.

My non American partner has taught me a lot.
Baremine · 70-79, C
I am an American. I am a USAF veteran served in Lybia for 15 months. I love my country and I agree with you. There are a lot of places in this world I would like to live. I love the Caribbean. I loved water skiing on the Mediterranean sea especially in the early morning.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I am a veteran, but never in battle. Yes, many living in the US are very self-centered. I have lots of friends who have travelled the world and experienced many cultures. None of my friends are MAGA. I wonder why you started this with clothing optional. I can't imagine anyone not familiar with the term

SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Clothing was "optional" for swimming through most of my childhood. My daughter and her cousins have the same privileges when at home.
Ximenajacoba · 26-30, F
Having to rinse through over twenty swimsuits each day would be very time consuming!
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Ximenajacoba My mum felt similar about doing laundry for four girls in our grandparents' house which had no mains water!
Bklynbadboy12 · 36-40, M
I dont see why they're shocked that normal when i was living at home
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Heard of it for longer than you've been alive. Lived the same way for even longer.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
We Americans are so prudish when it comes to nudity. Most other countries are fine with it certain places in public. It's really ridiculous to be so averse to it in the "land of the free"!
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lissah · 36-40, F
@Baremine i never said we were right about everything
Baremine · 70-79, C
@lissah I found that a lot of Americans overseas were very arrogant. I just tried to be friendly and it was amazing how I was treated.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@Baremine I was treated well. Learned a lot. Left consider I made new friends. Hope I didn't come across wrong.

 
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