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What do you think of JORDAN PETERSON (I only capitalized that bc I know it will get your attention).

Here are my thoughts on this guy...

1)As a PHD in clinical psychology, most of what I hear him say about his field is insightful
2)A lot of his self help stuff is great, and backed up by data and multiple studies which he cites. Some is just common sense but sounds smarter.
3)He uses academic jargon for no reason, and speaks alegorical, sounding way more complex than the point he's making is. Sometimes this comes off as poetic and cool sounding, and other times it sounds like a pretentious. He uses the term "biblical corpus" and when someone asked "Does that just mean the bible" he basically said yeah. Like, why not just call it the bible then? lmfao.
4)What I seriously like about him is that he connects mythology to biology, using jungian theory to explain profound concepts from various religions and stories in general.
5)I really hate the way he does or doesn't talk about women. As a guy who gives advice to young men (such as myself), I feel like it's rare to ever hear him say anything about the female sex that actually inspires enthusiasm about interacting with them. I think that while some of his evolutionary psychology takes on the dynamics between males and femaels are probably sound, it just seems like fuel for incels, and is the last thing you should have on your mind when talking to women. Like, idk what nerd needs to hear this, but knowing more about the field of evolutionary psychology won't help you get laid lmfao. Getting a cool hobby and hitting the gym more will. Women are not alien beings.
6)I wish he'd stop getting invoved in climate change. He's only had one solid take on it which is that not having kids isn't gonna help and would hurt (which actually is true).
7)He's a classical british liberal, which is gay as fuck.

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BohoBabe · M

He's one of the few righty pundits I actually feel bad for. I don't think he's a grifter, his brain actually is soup. Same goes for Mike Pillow.

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BRUUH

@BohoBabe The cultural marxism conrpiaracy theory? I mean, do you not deny that many if not most of the social sciences have their roots in the frankfurt school, and that this influences culture? Like, this isn't really a conspiracy theory, it's just what it is. Even many marxists would themselves acknowledge that, but just say it was a good thing, and that the term is anti-semitic.

BohoBabe · M

@BRUUH The fact that most of modern philosophy is based on Marx's theories isn't the conspiracy theory. Cultural Marxism is the theory that Jews are using the media to spread degeneracy, which somehow turns people into Marxists, which in turn makes them too weak to fight back against the Jews who will then create a one world authoritarian government.
Sometimes the Jews are just alluded to, in order to make the theory more marketable. The Right will say the people behind the conspiracy are "Globalist Marxists from the Frankfurt School, like George Soros." But even without the Jews being the Big Bad, it's pretty much the same thing.

At one point, I could have sympathized with people falling for this bullshit. But if you live in the modern world, if you have internet access, it takes a few minutes to debunk this conspiracy theory. For Peterson to fall for these lies without any fact-checking, that makes him a blithering idiot.

BRUUH

@BohoBabe That's not what it is at all. And if it was, then i'm 100% Jordan Peterson doesn't believe it, and you just slandered him.

I think academia has been highly influenced by philosophers who wanted to explain why the communist revolutions failed, and make the system work. As a result of this, the culture in the west has been drastially influened, maybe for the worst, maybe for the better, but the facts are the facts. You're mixing up the Jewish theory with what cultural marxism means. Cultural BOLSHEVISM was the term used by Nazis, not cultural marxism.

BohoBabe · M

@BRUUH

That's not what it is at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

Which was based on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism

Which was based on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

It's the same thing, repackaged.

And if it was, then i'm 100% Jordan Peterson doesn't believe it, and you just slandered him.

Peterson doesn't know what Marxism is. When he talks about "Marxists," it's aways in this context. He says the media and the universities are controlled by Marxists who are promoting transgenderism to make everyone into SJW Communists. That's the conspiracy. "Marxists" are spreading "degeneracy" to make people into Marxists. The "degeneracy" is always some form of civil rights. Trans rights, gay rights, feminism, freedom of religion, sex positivity, that's the "degeneracy."

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@BRUUH

The conspiracy theory exaggerates the influence of the Frankfurt School; Stuart Jeffries, discussing it, noted their "negligible real-world impact".[47] According to Joan Braune, Cultural Marxism in the sense referred to by the conspiracy theorists never existed, and does not correspond to any historical school of thought. She also states that Frankfurt School scholars are referred to as "Critical Theorists", not "Cultural Marxists". She points out that, contrary to the claims of the conspiracy theorists, postmodernism tends to be wary of or even hostile towards Marxism, including towards the grand narratives typically supported by Critical Theory.[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

Jay wrote that Lind's documentary was effective Cultural Marxism propaganda because it "spawned a number of condensed, textual versions, which were reproduced on a number of radical, right-wing [web] sites."[1] Jay further writes:

These, in turn, led to a plethora of new videos, now available on YouTube, which feature an odd cast of pseudo-experts regurgitating exactly the same line. The message is numbingly simplistic: All the 'ills' of modern American culture, from feminism, affirmative action, sexual liberation, racial equality, multiculturalism and gay rights to the decay of traditional education, and even environmentalism, are ultimately attributable to the insidious intellectual influence of the members of the Institute for Social Research who came to America in the 1930s.[1]

Lind's documentary also featured Lazlo Pasztor, a former member of the Hungarian Arrow Cross Party who collaborated with the Nazis, and later served five years in prison for crimes against humanity.[26][1][27][28]

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@BohoBabe Oh haha I didn't realize you already posted a link to all that. My bad.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@BohoBabe

The "degeneracy" is always some form of civil rights.

I would also like to note that the people who first spread the term cultural marxism were Nazis or related to them or at the very least, sympathized with their views. A few got arrested for crimes against humanity. If one looks at the people who started it, it makes sense given the context of their politics, straight out of Nazi Germany.

BRUUH

@SatanBurger I mean, I probably disagree with the Wikipedia quote you used. I don't think all forms of degeneracy that have existed since the dawn of times are the result of Frankfurt school ideologies, and I actually think that capitalism (or as I like to call it cultural capitalism) is also responsible for most of the degeneracy I see. I do think most of the mainstream academic ideologies, such as critical theory, intersectionality, postmodernism, and all of that stem from it, and have also had downstream effects on culture.

I'd also like to note that having something in common with national socialists doesn't bother me. If Nazi's think something that I like, I'm okay with that. If something even originates with Nazi's, I'm okay with that. I think they used the term cultural bloshevism, andn ot cultural marxism. Tho you could argue it's more or less the same thing. I oppose Adam Smith and Karl Marx, so I don't point my finger at any one in particular. cultural marxism and cultural capitalism have both ruined the world in different and similar ways.

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BRUUH

@BohoBabe I was talking to Satanburger when I said that, not you. That said, does Peterson even use the term "cultural marxism"? I only ever heard him say "postmodern neo-marxists".

Do you think that the influence of ideas like postmodernism, intersectionality, and critical theory, decontructionism, etc have impacted the culture? Cause if so, you are basically a cultural marxist conspiracy theorist, no? If not, what's the criteria for being one? To believe that exact same thing, but add "jews" to the mix?

BRUUH

@BohoBabe Nazis were right about a ton of the things they said. They were right about the corrosive influence of marxism, just wrong to place it at the feet of Jews. They were probably right about the unethical banking schemes going on too, but again wrong to place it at the feet of jews. I literally have no problem saying that I agree with Nazis or Hitler when I do.

BohoBabe · M

@BRUUH

That said, does Peterson even use the term "cultural marxism"? I only ever heard him say "postmodern neo-marxists".

He's used both terms, sometimes he just says "Marxists," but he always uses these terms in the context of the conspiracy theory. He'll talk about drag queen story hour, and say that's Marxism because he doesn't actually know what Marxism is, he thinks it's just this conspiracy theory where shadowy figures are trying to trans the kids.
Just the fact that he says "Postmodern Neo-Marxists" tells us he doesn't know what these terms mean. Postmodernism was a rejection of Marxism.

Do you think that the influence of ideas like postmodernism, intersectionality, and critical theory, decontructionism, etc have impacted the culture? Cause if so, you are basically a cultural marxist conspiracy theorist, no?

No, because I don't think the influence of these ideas was part of a plot to take over Russia or Germany or America or the West or whatever the current version of the conspiracy theory is. The reason sociologists and economists adopted so much of Marx's ideas is because a lot of them were proven correct. Not because Marxists infiltrated universities and made everyone gay.
I also actually understand these ideas. Like I said, Marxism and Postmodernism are practically polar opposites. And just because professors are influenced by Marx doesn't mean they are Marxists. I'm not a Marxist, but I agree Marx was right about a ton of things. Whereas the conspiracy theory says all of our colleges are now run by actual Marxists.

Nazis were right about a ton of the things they said. They were right about the corrosive influence of marxism

The Nazis were either lying or didn't understand Marxism. Gender nonconformity, which is basically what Nazis mean when they talk about "degeneracy," isn't part of Marxism. The reason the Nazis put the two together in their propaganda is because Marx was a Jew, Marxism was on the rise, and this fit in well with earlier conspiracy theories about the Jews spreading degeneracy in Europe.

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