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Dark Question: Lets assume that there is a 100% proof positive way to identify people with pedophilic tendencies using genetic testing.

Would you agree with it if the government orchestrated a large scale effort to identify, apprehend, and execute all such people? And to terminate pregnancies that would result in such people?
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@Eternity it's really not. I personally know tons of people here who were raped as children. This site is kinda a hot spot for that kind of thing because it serves as a mental health support group. Failing to speak up for them under these circumstances would be a betrayal on my end.
Eternity · 26-30, M
@BlueVeins well good job man you did your due diligence you're a good friend.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Eternity not the point babe but whatever
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
Assuming that it was in fact genetic, eliminating them all from the population would in theory wipe out those genes from the population. I'm just not so sure that it is genetic and that even if it was, those genes don't necessarily have to activate. Some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism or other diseases but manage to dodge those bullets.

But assuming this was foolproof, it does have some Nazi-ish undertones. Eliminating people based on their inferior genes was a big deal for Hitler. If we select for one sexual orientation, what's to stop them from going after LGBT next? Or going after people with other unfavorable genetics? Once you open that Overton window, there might not be any way to shut it.

In the end, our religious and legal systems tend to stress that we have free will. If we do something like this, we're admitting that people don't have free will, and that could usher in the way for authoritarian dictatorships. People will become slaves to their genetics, and you'd end up with something akin to Brave New World or Gattaca. We'll have a caste system based on genes since that is now the basis for the value of your life.
Eternity · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins that's a very well thought out point. Would you say anything at all should be done to/about such people in this scenario?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Eternity In the best case scenario, I think having a scientific means of identifying and shutting off those specific genes could work out best for everybody. Epigenetics is all about turning genes off and on, so it's very doable if you could get over the ethical hurdles.
Miram · 31-35, F
Most offenders are not pedophiles.

No, keeping a registry and obligatory treatement is enough. No need to kill based on attraction alone.

I consider normalization of child abuse as crossing the line and it seems most in this website who did so through written content were not punished by the law.

I find it difficult to engage in imaginary scenarios as if killing them is a real concern when reality reflects the complete opposite.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Eternity

No, not by medical definition. It is exclusive strong sexual attraction towards children. We are able now to identify them beyond DSM standards and can do it by brain imaging.

Most offenders don't have pedophilia. They hurt children by choice. Could be number of reasons why they do it..but rarely pedophilia
Eternity · 26-30, M
@Miram but why hurt them sexually if you aren't sexually attracted to them? Doesn't make sense to me.

By that logic, can a man habitually have sex with other men but not be homosexual?
Miram · 31-35, F
@Eternity

Pedophilia is not just attraction. It is a mental illness, they have repititive urges and fantasies to the point of distress. And their brains are different than normal brains. It is observable.

Sexual assault of children just like that of adults involve the elements of power , sadism, seeking taboos, vengence, social normalization like in child mariage...many things.

Could be various reasons.
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Eternity · 26-30, M
@MalteseFalconPunch that second question is for you to decide. As far as would they be able to determine if they've offended? No. Not any better than they already can anyway.
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Eternity · 26-30, M
@MalteseFalconPunch what about public office? Should they be allowed to run?
Dan193 · 31-35, M
No. Some people don't act on it, and try to get help. So wouldn't be fair to persecute people for their illness.
Elessar · 26-30, M
So Eugenics?
Eternity · 26-30, M
@Elessar yep. Agree or disagree?
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Eternity No, I don't agree with eugenics, no matter what's the excuse used to push for it.
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I will stop at "identify" such people, at the least to have treatment available to them. There's no need to "apprehend" until you know a crime has been committed.

And I don't agree with capital punishment for the most part (innocent people can sometimes be executed, which is the main reason capital punishment is in invalid, not because an actually guilty person does not deserve it). To the degree I agree with capital punishment is for cases where the guilty are committing acts that are existentially detrimental to most inhabitants of this planet or a large group of people. Genocide and destroying the climate to make the planet uninhabitable are existential threats to a lot of people. While pedophilia sucks, its effects are limited to a smaller number of victims, and once caught the person can be kept imprisoned permanently if necessary to prevent further attacks.

Now as for pedophiles who have not yet been born, and the science was foolproof in detecting them with a 100% accuracy rate over a long period of time, then potentially adjusting them before birth or terminating the pregnancy ... or just completely weeding the flaw out of human DNA prior to any conception at all or preventing the conception, that would fine by me, whether you call it "eugenics" or not.

 
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