COVID Vacination Dilemma

Poll - Total Votes: 27

Do you believe getting the vacine or not should be a personal private affare

Do you think others have a right to know if you have or have not been vacinated

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My father passed away almost 2 years ago. Because of COVIT his cremated remains have not been brought back home for proper burial until now.

There is to be a small gathering of family and a few friends to celibrate his life.

An invitation was sent out requiring everyone to show proof of vaccination or a negative test taken in the last 48 hrs. I don't understand why there is still so much fear over COVIT.
Is this never going to go away?
COVIT like the flu will probably be around forever. Thankfully there are treatments and vaccines for both.

Will I soon be required to show proof of having the flu shot?

I personally find this requirement totally wrong and violates my privacy. This has nothing to do with whether I have or have not been vaccinated.

I have not seen my brother or sister in almost 20 years because we live on other ends of the country. I guess it may be another 20 years before I see them.

Do to this demand by my brother I will not be attending my dad's burial and celebration of life get together. I refuse to be required to show my papers as though I live in Natzi Germany.

Do you feel I'm right or wrong in my decision to not attend?

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SW-User

Taking a test really is quite a quick and simple thing to do. I'd personally take a test if it meant I could grieve with friends and family over a loved one. This way, you wouldn't need to share medical info that you feel is private.

We need to apply some perspective here. These measures for Covid aren't going to last forever; they're going to be temporary until we can factor seasonal covid cases into our routine hospital provision, much like we do flu.

However, Covid is more infectious and more deadly than flu, so it stands to reason that we take extra precautions to save lives, especially in the short term.

[quote]Will I soon be required to show proof of having the flu shot? [/quote]

You already do. It has been a requirement for years to prove you've had certain vaccines in order to take part in certain activities. This isn't new for Covid, and is in no way comparable to Nazi Germany.

jbon85 · 100+, M

@SW-User shouldn’t need the flu shot since It magically disappeared when covid came around 🤣

SW-User

@jbon85 It didn't disappear.

For almost two years, most of the world has been taking extra precautions (masks, sanitisation, distancing) to stop Covid, which is [b][i]more[/i][/b] infectious than flu.

If these measures we took reduced the transmission of covid, they'd obviously decimate cases of flu, which is again [b][i]less[/i][/b] infectious.

This is a really simple idea. Not sure why people struggle with it.

jbon85 · 100+, M

@SW-User it did disappear cause everything was considered to be “covid” the last 2 years. Covid is far less deadly than they’re saying. They’re using scare tactics to push the vaccinations, in which the last 2 years vaccination deaths are at an all time high all thanks to the killer covid vaccination. Fauci needs to be held responsible for all covid deaths and vaccination deaths

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SW-User

@jbon85 [quote]Covid is far less deadly than they’re saying. [/quote]

Being that you're not a medical professional who hasn't studied the virus, I'm going to ignore your claim. I'll stick with the experts who have gone through years of medical school, rather than people who get their data from Facebook.

But so other people don't buy into your false information; We can differentiate between a viral infection of flu vs a viral infection of Covid. It's very easy.

So if your claim is that Covid cases have been conflated with flu, that's not true.

ElwoodBlues · M

@SW-User The following graph of the first two US Covid spikes supports your position. We often hear that many other forms of death have been mis-identified as Covid deaths. If that were true, then other forms of death would fall during a Covid spike, but that's not what happened.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@SW-User Sorry to burst your bubble but covid is not more deadly than the flu. In fact the flu disappeared completely last year as every illness that looked like a flu or a cold or covid was diagnosed as covid. Very strange behavior on the part of the 'experts'.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 You are saying [b]exactly the opposite[/b] of what the data says. Sadly, you couldn't understand the graph above. Pardon me, I'll keep paying attention to the data.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Nice try. Too bad you don't know what actual data looks like. You are a sad little man without a brain in your head. Oh well. Your lost not me. The vax is killing more people than the disease. The vax is making people more susceptible to the disease not less. Having the vax increases your chance of dying from the vax not lessens it. You will never see that because your mind is too closed and your wits are too dull. You believe NPR.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Please be so kind as to show us the actual data that supports your claims. Oh, wait, you [i]never[/i] show data, you just make ludicrous, false, dangerous claims. [i]Without[/i] data. So here, again, is the data:

SW-User

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]covid is not more deadly than the flu[/quote]

It is absolutely more deadly. A Canadian study at the beginning of this year concluded Covid was around 3.5x as deadly, another from 2020 found it to be 5x as deadly, John Hopkins estimates it could be as high as 10x. Regardless of the actual figure, the consensus is crystal clear; Covid will result in a higher fatality rate than Influenza.

England is a good example to demonstrate how deadly Covid is; we experienced one of our worst bouts of seasonal flu in 2017/2018, with approx. 22,000 attributable deaths; much higher than years before or after.

Compare that to the same time span in 2020, where approx. 48,000 Covid deaths were reported, where Covid was listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor (i.e. these weren't just deaths within 28 days of a positive test, these were actual Covid deaths).

In fact, Covid attributable deaths in 2020 alone almost outnumber Flu attributable deaths from the 3 years previous combined.

To say Covid isn't as deadly as Influenza is a staggeringly stupid thing to say, when the data is as clear as it is.

I'd be interested to see which papers/data you can share which conclude Covid is no more deadly than seasonal flu?

[quote]In fact the flu disappeared completely[/quote]

Well... duh. This is what we'd expect to see. In 2020 we 1) implemented lockdowns 2) wore masks 3) socially distanced 4) sanitised far more often 5) worked from home 6) used less public transport. To name just a few measures.

Had we done any of this in years previous to 2020, we would see similarly low Flu numbers. You're not making a point here Joe, you're just pointing out the obvious.

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Oberon1 · 61-69, M

@silkydrawers At best it will become endemic. People will be saying, " I have a bit of a covid today." Hmmm hawwww......

SW-User

@silkydrawers Well, I respect your opinion. I live in England and already life has returned to a semblance of normality. No masks, no distancing, bars and shops all open, people seem to be having fun again.

It'll take some time to heal economically, but I'm starting to feel like we'll get there.