It's only the 17th school shooting this year in America.

@SW-User this is complete horseshit.

@firefall very informative reply. The truth isn't what you want it to be

@SW-User its more effort than a troll like you deserves, but it's a slow day:

If you want a little information, schools ARENT gun-free zones in most states, so your presumption fails at the first fucking hurdle.

@firefall you're all the same I've been through this enough you're smarter than me but you "don't have time" to explain. I'm a troll because I hurt your ego. Trump bad liberalism good. If you don't have anything noteworthy to say don't reply to me I'm better than you just on the fact I can think for myself all of you internet liberals are the same it's like I'm talking to the same person every time one of you dullards respond to my post.

@firefall wouldn't it make you the troll he makes a statement and you call it horse shit without explaining why

@SW-User be careful he’ll block you too but I’m sure you won’t miss much I don’t think anybody likes this guy here anyway

@SW-User 13 yr old boy just shot his sister in the head over a game controller but i guess if there was even more guns that wouldn't have happened because his little sister would have also had a gun? look outside your country, look at statistics from around the world, more guns in circulation=more people injured by guns. except for a few American republicans the whole planet disagrees with you.

@reflectingmonkey when did I say anything about guns. You are so eager to start a fight you start rambling on about something off topic you look like a jackass that being said Switzerland has more liberal gun laws than the USA with less shooting. I stand by my original statement it’s the culture and lack of family values that’s causing these problems. I couldn’t care less what the rest of the world thinks. The original Americans traveled across an oceans with the threat of falling off the world to get away from the rest of the world.

@SW-User when did you say anything about guns ?!? the first sentence you said was, and I quote "funny there was not one school shooting before schools became GUN free zones." see that word I put in big letters for you. But if you, like you said, "don't care what the rest of the world thinks" and are not curious why there are less school shootings and generally less gun violence in every other developed country well, hey its your country, not mine. I'm Canadian, its pretty peaceful over here.

@reflectingmonkey I said that which is the truth if you knew history but you don’t. But what does that have to do with the idiotic shit you said p. And like I said and said again it’s because of the hippie movement and attack on family values can you read or are you just programmed to talk a lot of irrelevant garbage

@SW-User Traditional families are a myth.

[quote]In 1992, I published The Way We Never Were: American Families And The Nostalgia Trap, a search for the supposed “golden age” of family values in the twentieth century: [big]I found that the male breadwinner family of the 1950s was a very recent, short-lived invention and that during its heyday, rates of poverty, child abuse, marital unhappiness, and domestic violence were actually higher than in the more diverse 1990s.[/big][/quote]

https://newrepublic.com/article/132001/way-never

[quote]Amid these many transformations, however, one thing has not changed since my book first appeared in 1992—the tendency for many Americans to view present-day family and gender relations through the foggy lens of nostalgia for a mostly mythical past.

Nostalgia is a very human trait. When school children returning from summer vacation are asked to name good and bad things about their summer, the lists tend to be equally long. As the year goes on, however, if the exercise is repeated, the good list grows longer and the bad list gets shorter, until by the end of the year the children are describing not their actual vacations but their idealized image of “vacation.” So it is with our collective “memory” of family life. As time passes, the actual complexity of our history—even of our own personal experience—gets buried under the weight of the ideal image.[/quote]

@SatanBurger in post modernism nothing is real they don't accept truth. In their head truth is what they want it to be. In fact a traditional family is that of a mother and father raising children with judeo-christian tradition. Over complicating everything is a trend that needs to stop.

@SW-User That's the point, in the 1950's the happy family seemed happy because the media largely ignored cultural diversity out of supposed "Christian" values. Just google Christian family abuse to this day and you'll find hundreds of results.

Just because the gun rate was "low" in let's say 1950s, doesn't mean other types of violence still were not prevalent.

If you look at religious history of any religion, during the ages they were all prominent you'll find numerous human rights abuses. Were those the good values we should teach children?

@SW-User Let me help with my friend @firefall and why he called horseshit on your comments.

Gun-free Zones law passed in 1990: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990


List of US school shootings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

PLENTY of school shootings done before 1990. I would also argue this isn't a full list of school shooting as pre-1990 we are talking before Internet era that this list may not encompass.

@Pherick Yikes that's a lot and it's not even a full list.

@Pherick I sat through and read every single one of those. While it is sad there is a noticeable difference between the ones prior to 1990 and after. Most of those shootings before 1990 wouldn't happen today regardless of gun laws and none of them involved senseless mass shootings.

@SatanBurger you are trying to make a correlation that doesn't go together to make a negative statement towards religion. It's pretty obvious and sad that you fight so hard to be so ignorant

@SW-User I was trying to keep from insulting you but since you did first, you try to argue with people about not living in reality but yet here you are ruminating for a fictional time, i.e. the nuclear family.

@SatanBurger Yeah because a man and woman raising a kid is fictional you’re disillusional.

@SW-User oh my god everyone shut the hell up half of the comments of this post comes from this tread you can’t win an argument with an idiot all of you are idiots trying to put idiot each other

@SW-User so I'm an idiot 🤔

@SW-User yes you’ve literally spend two day arguing with people who don’t know how families work learn to ignore and walk away

@SW-User I know how families work. There's more than one version of a family and there's more than one culture whether or not Christians or many others want to accept it.

Oh and don't tell me where to comment, I'll comment where I please. In fact I'm going to comment more because this isn't your forum and I can do what I want.

@SW-User Just in case you didn't know you could go to [b]notifications and hit "stop"[/b] underneath to unsubscribe from the thread. Just saying ;)

@SW-User No. The nuclear family is new only in the last century. Before children were raised in extended families and in some cultures it was mainly women who raised the child.

You want to talk about me being delusional but you're stuck in a time that only belongs on a soap opera and pretend that there's valid proof that kids weren't just as fucked up back then 😂

[quote]Mrloweco · 18-21, M
@satanburger Yeah because a man and woman raising a kid is fictional you’re disillusional.[/quote]

[quote]The nuclear family, as idealised today, was an invention of the Victorians, but it bore little relationship to the family life we are told to emulate. Its development was driven by economic rather than spiritual needs, as the industrial revolution made manufacturing in the household inviable. Much as the Victorians might have extolled their families, “it was simply assumed that men would have their extramarital affairs and women would also find intimacy, even passion, outside marriage” (often with other women). Gillis links the 20th Century attempt to find intimacy and passion only within marriage – and the impossible expectations this raises – to the rise in the rate of divorce.

Children’s lives were characteristically wretched: farmed out to wet nurses, sometimes put to work in factories and mines, beaten, neglected, often abandoned as infants. In his book A History of Childhood, Colin Heywood reports that “the scale of abandonment in certain towns was simply staggering”: reaching one third or a half of all the children born in some European cities(10). [big][c=#BF0000]Street gangs of feral youths caused as much moral panic in late 19th Century England as they do today[/c].[/big]

Conservatives often hark back to the golden age of the 1950s. But in the 1950s, John Gillis shows, people of the same persuasion believed they had suffered a great moral decline since the early 20th Century. In the early 20th Century, people fetishised the family lives of the Victorians. The Victorians invented this nostalgia, looking back with longing to imagined family lives before the Industrial Revolution.[/quote]

[big]http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/14/kin-hell/[/big]