without getting into all the details yet,

does anyone have any experience dealing with a teacher who grooms their students? specifically: how did you bring them down....

update: read some of the backstory in my comment thread with pfuzylogic, below.

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AuRevoir · 36-40, M

Teachers don't ever get psychologically evaluated before being allowed a job...

But nowday's I'm not sure psychological evaluation will matter as the world is so topsy turvsy...

But anyways.. My elementary school in Utah had lots of pedophilia and other abuses between the teachers and students.. I'm not sure how many kids were permanantly groomed.. but momentary grooming within the school year definitely happened... I believe there's multiple forms of grooming also, not just sexual, but almost slavery type. My 2'nd grade teacher to me was worse, because of that.. Which the abuse of constant fear was carried out by a woman.. The pedophilic kind happened by a gay man who had a partner at the time but of course back then was not allowed to marry his partner, which he discussed at full length because the 3'rd grade students had inquisitive minds and asked about it.. He was the one who slyly offered to pass kids on any homework they had if they could prove they were sick.. In which case when the kids went up to him he would touch their genitals.. only one single student was wise enough to speak up and call him out on it.. "You're not supposed to touch us there!" (Unfortunately not me who thought of it.. I wish I could say I was that smart.. Instead I was obviously an ignorant idiot.. But that kids parents taught him right..) To which the pedophile teacher replied.. "Well that's how the doctors do it!!" and then all the class kind of turned on the kid and said "Yeah that's how my doctor does it!!" It was sheer.. Evil genius.. In it's most refined form.. Fooled every kid after that, and it just made the kid hang his head down in shame.. sucks that he was the only smart one..

And then my saddest memory came from a classmate who asked me to help save her.. From the pedophile vice principle.. When I was only a 7 or 8 year old boy.. who couldn't really do anything for her........

Idk, multiple types of teachers with weird God complexes.. That have ruined children's lives.. Idk.. It's funny cuz I always hear about people talking about how bad their experiences with other kids were.. but all I remember is how bad all the experiences with teachers were..

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@AuRevoir oh honey, im so sorry..this sounds permanently scarring!!!! how was the vice principal needing to be saved by an 8 yr old kid tho? almost sounds like an attempt, on her part, to groom you!

AuRevoir · 36-40, M

@foldedunfolding I think you need to reread that sentence... I said my saddest memory came from a classmate, who asked me to save her, from the pedophile vice principle..

Of course I had no idea what she was asking of me at the time, this is all only understood in hindsight as an adult.. She kept clinging to me on my arm as we were walking to the auditorium.. Where the "Winners" would get to be part of a private "Pizza Party" with the vice principle.. Pretty much real life pizza gate or whatever that thing was labeled as with all the politicians.. I lived through an episode of it.. only it was school.. With a vice principal.. I just remember how she begged me not to leave her no matter what.. and she shivered the entire way there, like a wounded animal.. before anything even happened.

I don't really look at my childhood with any kids I would want to be friends with.. My teenage years yes.. But not my childhood.. But that one little girl, who's obviously a full grown adult like me now.. I just wish I could be her friend.. And I wish I could know that she's alright..

idk we can never go back in time and save anyone.. it's too much to think about sometimes..

foldedunfolding · 41-45, F

@AuRevoir omg i misread the shit out of that, my apologies. oh man..poor little thing :( so crazy how they do it..so unhinged..whyy would they even be attracted..just gobsmackingly evil. amazing tho, how, even at the age of 8..you were seen as strong enough to protect those around you

AuRevoir · 36-40, M

@foldedunfolding It was either 7 or 8 for me back then.. things are kind of blurry.. For obvious reasons..

I wasn't seen as strong.. But I think she was in fear and was reaching out to anyone she thought she could trust.. It was 4 kids that had been summoned as winners.. and we were all from the same class...

I think any child who had been through that before and truly knew what to expect, and feared it ever happening again would cling to anything.. even another child beside them.. In hopes of a savior... And no one got saved from the situation other than me for some reason... I remember when we all sat down to eat the pizza.. And the vice principal started asking some kind of question and everyone was answering.. And whatever answer I gave.. Caused the teacher to scowl.. And he summoned.. two like teacher aids type of people to escort me away.. And she clung to me and begged me not to go.. As if I could be a witness.. And I remember I only took like a bite or 2 out of the pizza and I was like.. in protest of being forced to leave.. like "But I didn't even get to eat my pizza yet? Why do they get to eat?" And I can't remember the excuse/retort he gave back.. And then the two "Guards" basically started dragging me away from her.. And she was clinging with all her might.. still whispering to me not to go and leave her with him.. And all I said was.. "But I have to go.." Because of course back then you think you have to obey everything an adult says.. Because I don't think people suspected teachers or police or doctors or anyone with a supposed Honorable profession as being bad.. As if there were a true higher criteria that must be met to earn the position.. When there's really not..

As for the question he asked.. It's still blurry to me but I think it was a religious one.. I think every other kid answered they were Mormon.. And of course If this is the case I would have answered that I was Christian.. which made him scowl.. I suspect that, this is how he covered his tracks somehow.. some kind of coverup that had to do with the Mormon church.. But I can't think of how that would work.. Or how even if you're a Mormon why you wouldn't believe the words of your child.. It's the only thing I can think of that I would have answered differently over.. And the memory is so vague I feel for certain that's what it was.. But I can't hear the question.. It's only an innate knowledge of the playback in my head.. so it's where you feel certain but you lack the evidence in your memory I suppose..

What hurt the most was when I saw her the next day at school. And somewhere outside the school building.. I'm not sure if it was recess or what.. But she cornered me and said "You left me.." and then I fumbled all over my words saying how they forced me to leave.. and then she said "It's alright.. I'm used to it happening.." It breaks my heart when I look back on it now.. Back then I had no idea what a pedophile was obviously.. I was just a kid.. I had no idea what happened to her.. I couldn't even fathom it.. I only knew it was something bad that deeply affected her because I could see it on her face and how she carried herself.. And I just always felt like it was my fault and guilty that I left her.. Even though I was just a child myself with no idea what was going on..

Idk I will always have a bias and prejudice and untrustworthiness because of all I've been through, towards teachers.. It makes me question why anyone even wants to become one.. Because I haven't seen too many good ones growing up..

Anyways that's the extent of my "Grooming" experiences.. The fact that I have seen all these things idk.. makes me hate all this shit i see going on school these days as well..