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gregloa · 61-69, M
A fact according to how God created it.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@gregloa If you mean they accept evolution for all other organisms but deny it happened for own species, they are replacing both scientific sense and theological sincerity with pure vanity; and to blame God for it abrogates their own responsibility.
I can understand why they might though, for the authors of the Bible's early books, and later European church authorities, wanted their followers to see we humans and our planet as the pinnacle and centre of all of God's work. Worse, those authorities also wanted us to believe that God made everything else on Earth not for its own sake, but as inferior to, and ripe for exploiting by, humanity.
("Own sake" perhaps... but to be fair to those leaders in ages past, they would genuinely not have realised that God-made or not, it is all part of a gigantic, world-wide system.)
We now see such past arrogance as absurd; but it held sway for some 1800 years since Christianity was established, and some millennia since the first written records of its Hebrew foundations.
Even so, I am surprised that there are people now who would hold such an illogical view of both their own religion, and of science.
I can understand why they might though, for the authors of the Bible's early books, and later European church authorities, wanted their followers to see we humans and our planet as the pinnacle and centre of all of God's work. Worse, those authorities also wanted us to believe that God made everything else on Earth not for its own sake, but as inferior to, and ripe for exploiting by, humanity.
("Own sake" perhaps... but to be fair to those leaders in ages past, they would genuinely not have realised that God-made or not, it is all part of a gigantic, world-wide system.)
We now see such past arrogance as absurd; but it held sway for some 1800 years since Christianity was established, and some millennia since the first written records of its Hebrew foundations.
Even so, I am surprised that there are people now who would hold such an illogical view of both their own religion, and of science.
gregloa · 61-69, M
@[Pikachu]Is this human evolution? Noah lived 950 years and then right after the flood God made man live only 120 years, how did He do this? Evolution? Change genetics? Create disease? Change environment? Why did He do this, because of sin. Same reason he destroyed every living thing by flooding the earth. Rebellion. Yet you require solid proof of why and how. You don’t believe Noah lived at all much less 950 years or that the earth was flooded. Why would God allow you to understand anything? By denying Him you are proclaiming you’re smarter than Him and his followers. Comparing Him to santa clause. Yet you entertain the idea of aliens seeding the earth being responsible for life on earth. Without any proof whatsoever you would rather entertain the idea of not only alien existence but that it’s probably more likely that aliens created life on Earth than God Himself. The universe created itself. The earth just got lucky and was somehow created. Why must the Bible be a myth? Same reason it’s a myth to all atheists, homosexuals, and abortionist. Because it condemns them to hell. Why does that matter? Because God has written the truth in their hearts and they will be without excuse on the day of judgement. Why else would they care? Why else would it bother them so much that they have to prove it wrong? What are they scared of? If I didn’t believe in something the last thing I would be interested in doing is trying to prove it wrong. What an absolute waste of time. I know I know you will argue this is about evolution. Why accept other animals evolve but humans don’t? I never said that.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@gregloa No-one is "scared" of anything - whether religious or not.
It's not very clear but what you are trying to say looks like insulting the intellect that believers would likely credit as God's gift to our species, and by implication the wish to understand God's works, the unknown men who wrote those ancient and undated, accounts of their beliefs and myths; and by extension, God Himself.
("Unknown". We have names, but that's all.)
It's not very clear but what you are trying to say looks like insulting the intellect that believers would likely credit as God's gift to our species, and by implication the wish to understand God's works, the unknown men who wrote those ancient and undated, accounts of their beliefs and myths; and by extension, God Himself.
("Unknown". We have names, but that's all.)
@gregloa
Woof....
You got in real hot and real quick on religious dogma. That was an emotional tirade and i won't condemn you for it but i am going to hold you to it.
If you thought you had some relevant topics of debate there then please reiterate them more calmly and we can discuss them.
But the nonsense with the tired old saws about what atheists believe and why they believe it is beneath thoughtful discussion, Ima assume you had a drink or two and we can move on to more productive dicussion when you're sober.
Woof....
You got in real hot and real quick on religious dogma. That was an emotional tirade and i won't condemn you for it but i am going to hold you to it.
If you thought you had some relevant topics of debate there then please reiterate them more calmly and we can discuss them.
But the nonsense with the tired old saws about what atheists believe and why they believe it is beneath thoughtful discussion, Ima assume you had a drink or two and we can move on to more productive dicussion when you're sober.




