I'm in the mood to teach about evolution! What questions or criticisms do you have for the Theory of Evolution?

@Iwantyourhotwife

Yeah, ultimately every living thing shares a common ancestor

@Pikachu so, let me ask you this. What does that original common ancestoe have to be, granted that the idea is that there is an increase in complexity as time goes on and a decrease as time reverses according to general Darwinian postulation and general evolutionary biologists' understanding?

@Iwantyourhotwife

I'm not sure what your question is.
Are you asking if we know what the universal common ancestor is? Because we don't know that.

@Pikachu yes. And doesn't the current evolutionary zeitgeist land on it being a single cell?

@Iwantyourhotwife

Would have had to be, yup.

@Pikachu so how does a believer in evolution get past the minimum gene concept?

@Iwantyourhotwife

Maybe that's the border between life and non-life.
But isn't this just the same thing as "how did life begin" as a defeater for evolution? Because not know the ultimate origins of life does nothing to invalidate the observation that it has since evolved, right?

@Pikachu yeah, it's essentially the same

Reason being that when we form a system of beliefs, it has to lead to rationality and completeness. Otherwise, it is irrational. Logic is an essential tool and we know that this world is complete. It is organized, testable, consistent, and regular. So knowing how rational everything is, we can come to conclusions about this cosmos and deduce what is sensible vs what is not

Now when we come to a point when we say there is a border between life and non-life, clearly we crossed it, right? What actually is the bridge between that border?

In short, what brings something to life? Is there any lead to this answer, even if you do not have an answer?

@Iwantyourhotwife

My understanding is that we don't know exactly how that happened but we do know how it could happen under the right circumstances. Organic molecules spontaneously generating from inorganic molecules given the right circumstances.

But i gotta stop you there. This thread is about evolution, not abiogenesis.

@Pikachu well, we've discussed a lot about evolution before and I'm more interested in talking about abiogenesis now, unless you would like to ask anything specific or maybe go over some old points

Also, what is this standard protocol for evolutionists to draw a hard line at abiogenesis for? 👀
It is a pattern I've noticed almost always to avoid discussing it

@Iwantyourhotwife

Well the reason we don't tend to discuss abiogenesis when we're talking about evolution is because, while related, they are separate topics. As i pointed out: how life began makes no comment on the evidence that it has since evolved.

As for why i personally don't talk about it...we don't really know much about it as far as i know. There's not a lot to talk about.

@Pikachu fair enough tbh

You know, one thing that's really admirable about you is your clarity and sincerity. You're very principled

@Iwantyourhotwife

lol on my good days, anyway. Thanks.
You too. While your name throws me, you seem more willing than most to disagree in a civil manner.

@Pikachu please know that this is not my account 😂
I am a misnomer

We talked a lot back then if you recall Pirate 😜

@Iwantyourhotwife

Yeah that rings a bell lol