It gets more and more absurd for Creationists to deny the evolutionary relationship between Humans and Chimpanzees.
Let's ignore for the moment evidences from the fossil record or genetic evidence and focus on behaviour. Chimpanzees use vocalization to communicate but many more gestures and get this: over 95% of the gestures they use are the [i]same [/i]gestures used instinctively by babies and toddlers up to age two.
Evolution (as always) explains this readily and logically by the conclusion that humans and chimps shared a common ancestor wherein these instinctive gestures were present. But how does the evolution-denying creationist account for this shared language?
[quote]In total, researchers found the human toddlers used 52 discrete gestures to communicate, including clapping, hugging, stomping, raising their arms and shaking their heads, often stringing the moves together to convey complex ideas. It turns out that the chimps also used 46 of the same gestures, meaning there’s a 90 percent overlap.[/quote] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/chimps-and-toddlers-share-same-gesture-language-180970272/#:~:text=It%20turns%20out%20human%20children,juvenile%20and%20adult%20great%20apes.&text=It%20turns%20out%20that%20the,there's%20a%2090%20percent%20overlap.
@ElRengo Agreed. Saying ’I don’t know’ is the foundation of science, especially when followed by ‘but I’m trying to find out’... but not when followed by ‘so I’ll just make up something called god’ 😀
@ElRengo It’s all you hear from scientists, as you quite rightly indicate.
I have a reputation for ending meetings with questions along the line of ‘What if we’re wrong? How would we know?’ and apparently it is always unwise to offer me convenient assumptions 😂
Someone once offered me a summary of something-or-other that contained a paragraph pontificating about this and that and what might be or might not be, on and on, so I said ‘Are you trying to say that we don’t know? The writer agreed with that, so I crossed it out and wrote ‘We don’t know... but we’re trying to find out’.
As you know, all science takes place at the frontiers of our ignorance, and no pretence is allowed.
Six thousand years ago, God [i][b]HID[/b][/i] all those dinosaur bones in all those rocks - along with just the right trace levels of radioactive isotopes to make them all appear to be between 65M and 250M years old! And is other sedimentary layers, God hid fossils of 250,000 different [i]species;[/i] all now apparently extinct.
And, in all those sedimentary layers God hid five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here: [b]https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/[/b]
And God hid 110,000 years of layers in the Greenland ice sheets -- along with corroborating radioactive isotopes of course -- and climate data in the trapped air bubbles.
Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.
But God must have faked all that evidence too, 6000 years ago. The only question is WHY did God fake all that evidence all over Earth, throughout the galaxy, and in billions of other galaxies? WHY??
creationists claim that the world and living things were created by a supreme being. this does not negate evolution, if we imagine that the act of creation is the projection of the principle of life onto the nurturing environment in which life receives embodiment. the act of creation is still ongoing, like the mutation of species, which can be called evolution.
the common patterns of motor activity that are used for communication in social animals are due to the similarity of the physiological structure of the body.
Well i thought it went without saying that i am referring to evolution-denying creationists, typically young earth creationists but yes, there is no inherent problem with believing in god and accepting evolution.
[quote]the common patterns of motor activity that are used for communication in social animals are due to the similarity of the physiological structure of the body.[/quote]
I don't this actually goes very far to explaining it. That's akin to saying that the shared ability to speak should mean most humans somehow develop a nearly identical language. Additionally, while that explanation could possibly address why the same sorts of gestures are made, it has no explanatory power for why the gestures mean the same thing across radically disparate species.
You seem to be the sort of dullard who, when their ideas are threatened, reacts with base antagonism in place of thoughtful discussion.
But let us move forward presuming that we are both wrong in our assessment of the other.
If you have an objection to my thought process then make it plain here so that we may discuss it. If you can provide an objective case for why the phenomenon i presented is inaccurate the do so without hesitation or artifice.
If, however, your only purpose here is to direct animosity toward what you feel is the "enemy" then you've already forfeited the debate.
Your move, jshm2. Will you make a good showing for your camp or will you make a mockery of it? 🙂✌️
