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Why is evolution listed under ‘spirituality and religion’?

It should be listed under science
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in10RjFox · M
Evolution is basically an hypothesis which comes under philosophy. In other words it's just a guess work. Science essentially deals with matter that is lifeless and not as much with life which is spirit and spiritual .. in fact even Darwin's is considered a religion within science. Believers and non-believers ..

And thus it's just a belief and cannot be science.
@in10RjFox That is factually wrong and wishful thinking by people who believe we all originated from two people who rode around on dinosaurs.

You have no interest in science and fact and this dishonest statement proves that.

So much projection.
in10RjFox · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow do you have any clue of what you have written ? What is factually wrong and wishful thinking and how did you assume my belief that I would have believed two people ?

We are talking about evolution in general and not just human evolution ...
Sharon · F
@in10RjFox [quote]Science essentially deals with matter that is lifeless[/quote]
Biology is a science that explicitly deals with life.

Evolution, a change in allele frequencies over time, is a demonstrable fact. The various strains of COVID 19 is one example of that. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is an explanation of what drives evolution. No doubt it began as an hypothesis but was refined into a scientific Theory. It remains the best explanation we have for the observed fact of evolution.
in10RjFox · M
@Sharon You are talking about a science that evolved much Much later than evolution when even evolution of science is obscure and you want the new generation to accept "the theory of evolution by natural selection" as what drives evolution ?

Best explanation for observed fact .. is again a hypothesis which is arguable ..


One thing I know what drives such science is American Dollars ..but that does not mean they know what drives evolution ..
Sharon · F
@in10RjFox [quote]You are talking about a science that evolved[/quote]
That's how science advances.

[quote]Best explanation for observed fact .. is again a hypothesis which is arguable ..[/quote]
As I said, theories start off as hypotheses and are refined to become Theories. Can you offer a better, complete, coherent and consistent, explanation for the observed fact of evolution? Can you even identify, with evidence, any flaws in The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection? If you can, please let us know, scientists have been trying to ever since the Theory was published.
in10RjFox · M
@Sharon
[quote]Can you offer a better, complete, coherent and consistent, explanation for the observed fact of evolution?[/quote]

First we need to accept that origins are obscure and it's impossible to know how it happened for even the actual way it happened is only a guess.

Second, nothing is going to change anything about our life in the past or in future, as life forever has proven that it's not dependent on whether we get our evolution right.

So the best is to scrap all theories that put us in trouble and just focus on predicting the oncoming future.

Because only when someone tries to thrust their theory , they provoke resistance which only brings about futile arguments.

Let's stop being the sheep for someone to obtain a doctorate degree..

What say you ?
Sharon · F
@in10RjFox [quote]First we need to accept that origins are obscure and it's impossible to know how it happened for even the actual way it happened is only a guess. [/quote]
It might be a guess but it fits the known facts and allows accurate predictions to be made.

Knowing how the universe works is benificial to our survival. Germ Theory (or Germ Guess if you prefer) allows us to develope tratments and vaccines. Should we just scrap them too?

No scientist tries to "thrust their theory", they simply present it as an explanation of known phenomena. Other scientists try to disprove it by finding flaws in it.

Who's being a sheep?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox In what way does the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection "put us in trouble”

Do you mean that the evidence from which it has been developed, and the explanatory power it contains, is inconvenient for you?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox Hmmmmm... I feel that perhaps you don’t actually understand the nature of scientific Theories
in10RjFox · M
@newjaninev2
[quote] I feel that perhaps you don’t actually understand the nature of scientific Theories[/quote]

Yeah.. I have stopped buying them .. I simply don't buy it anymore. I prefer my Marlboro lights .. 😜
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox So you don’t know what Theories are, but you don’t like them, and you feel able to expound on them?
@in10RjFox So the theory of gravity is a religion? I mean, it could just be a coincidence that things fall down when you drop them.
in10RjFox · M
@newjaninev2 [quote]In what way does the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection "put us in trouble”[/quote]

We are having a dispute right .. and that's the trouble I am talking about.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox By ‘we’ do you mean you and I?

No, we’re not in dispute about the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection

Why would we be?
in10RjFox · M
@LeopoldBloom Oh! You want to know the religion in gravity ?

Is gravity a suction from the centre of the earth OR is it a thrust from outside ?

Which religion do you belong to ?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox it's just a guess work.

Would you like to examine some of the [i]evidence[/i] from which the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is drawn?

[quote]Darwin's is considered a religion within science[/quote]

There are no authorities in science.

None

I care not one whit about Darwin. All that matters is his work, and testing that work
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox [quote]suction from the centre of the earth OR is it a thrust from outside[/quote]

Umm, it’s neither

We’ve understood this since 1915 when Einstein developed the General Theory of Relativity.

Mass bends spacetime, and spacetime shows mass how to move

Come on, you [i]must[/i] know this!
in10RjFox · M
@newjaninev2 I think I have answered your original question substantially. So let's leave it there.

No use trying to invite me into your religion ...
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@in10RjFox No, you have in no way answered my original question, so let’s not ‘leave it there’

Run away if you must, although perhaps that in itself answers my question
@in10RjFox [quote]Evolution is basically an hypothesis which comes under philosophy.[/quote]
Silliest statement all month!!!

Haven't you been noticing how Covid has been evolving all thru the pandemic? Haven't you seen how new forms of Covid have been more effectively evading our defenses?? Haven't you heard about how the Omicron variant has evolved to the point where it's producing minor symptoms in the vaxxed and becoming accepted as endemic???

You can make a series of testable hypotheses about Covid, and the ones proven true are the ones demonstrating evolution by "natural" selection.
in10RjFox · M
@newjaninev2 😀😀😀... That's the third religion ..

[quote]We’ve understood this since 1915 when Einstein developed the General Theory of Relativity.[/quote]

But who accepted it .. ? You understood because you were made to study it and awarded marks .. without being allowed to question.

You didn't know that's how they established universities and syllabus to commercialize education ? Are you so ignorant ?
@in10RjFox [quote]Is gravity a suction from the centre of the earth OR is it a thrust from outside ?[/quote] Neither, [b]LOL!!![/b] You're getting sillier as you get farther from what you know!!

For those who didn't major in physics, gravity is a local distortion (curvature) of four dimensional spacetime. Each point mass curves the nearest spacetime, and that local curvature causes curvature in the next nearest spacetime. Etc, etc.

No action at a distance needed to explain gravity, just local curvature. Unfortunately the math involved is tensor calculus, but it's been repeatedly tested, according to the scientific method.

Here's a recent test of gravitational theory based on long observation of a double pulsar system: https://www.space.com/einstein-general-relativity-passes-pulsar-test
@in10RjFox For something to be called an actual theory, it means testing can be designed. Can’t test? Then there is no theory. Also there is the matter of falsification which are tests designed for the claims to fail. Evolution has passed these. No other proposed theory has.

Yahoo Answers had evolution as an established science.
@in10RjFox [quote]You understood because you were made to study it and awarded marks [/quote] [b]Bulllshit!!![/b] When I studied Special Relativity we were challenged to poke holes in the theory and dream up observations that might falsify the theory. The whole idea that "the velocity of light in a vacuum is constant regardless of motions of source & observer" is deeply counter-intuitive. We all questioned it and were encouraged to question it. Just as scientists ever since 1905 have questioned it and tested it.

Did you go to "Bible School"?? Is that why you're so ignorant of scientific education??
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues I keep wondering if the "curvature" of spacetime is an actual curvature or simply a useful visualization of the paths taken by particles in motion. Or IS there such a thing a actual spacetime or is it just another way of simplifying the universe for human understanding instead of saying "everything, even time, is motion"? (Did that make sense? I know what I'm trying to say, but my background is Art, not Physics.)