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Are you Heterodox?

Heterodox Academy was founded in 2015 by Jonathan Haidt, Chris Martin, and Nicholas Rosenkranz, in reaction to their observations about the negative impact a lack of ideological diversity has had on the quality of research within their disciplines.

Do you believe that this lack of ideological diversity exists in academia and in the wider world in general? Is orthodoxy ever a good thing?

Do you consider yourself heterodox?

Heterodoxy is a willingness to go against your tribe, whether your tribe is liberal or conservative. If you consider yourself to be heterodox, can you give any personal examples? Thanks.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
God, Family, Country

in that order

tribes/factions/groups are so indifferent & ambiguous (especially these days), I never take what someone claims to be at face value. I know plenty of people that call themselves Christians that live nothing like a Christian, and plenty that call themselves Conservatives while completely defying every traditional conservative value

the world sucks, people suck, and most of them will just associate and/or emulate whatever group garners them the most favor and popularity

I don't give a shit about popularity, I'd rather be hated for what I am, than loved for what I not; that's my "tribe"...
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@wildbill83
the world sucks, people suck, and most of them will just associate and/or emulate whatever group garners them the most favor and popularity

Has this been accelerated by modern science and technology?
Murmurs · 31-35, F
Orthodoxy is a good thing when you want amazing church liturgy that lasts 3 hours.

It's generally terrible for absolutely everything else.

Ideological orthodoxy largely exists in what's sometimes called the "chattering classes" (ie academia, the media, the arts), including law as well to some extent but fortunately rules of practice stop that from affecting their work too much.

Definitely two feminist societies, for example, which when I joined at university were (when not primarily about sourcing good quality gin and tonics!) places of genuine discussion and considered activism, have largely devolved into bastions of an entirely entrenched ideology on most issues (I think we can guess which ones. Intersectionality is a curse).

Around the country (the UK) though - while I think even in my lifetime attitudes to things have mostly gone one way, and this is largely a good thing (as fun as it might be to imagine myself in a coven of sapphic suffragettes I don't think that's a plausible reality!), people are happily much more diverse in their opinions.

We're all mostly just treated as though we're monolithic blocks of concerns (Ie "I'm a woman one-side-or-another-of-30, so I must think X and Y"). And I would say seeing people as sets of interest group/campaign targets rather than as people is generally, right now, an orthodoxy of the left...
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@Murmurs Thank you for your thoughtful response. That's a lot to chew on.
firefall · 61-69, M
Depends what you include as academia. The "Social sciences" and arts&letters seem to be heavy on enforced groupthink.
Science&Math, far less so, as things are actually subject to proofs
firefall · 61-69, M
@FaithfulTalia II have never studied sociology (yet, anyway), so I bow to your superior knowledge. I didnt realise they used hard statistics so much.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@firefall
I didnt realise they used hard statistics so much.

😅
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@FaithfulTalia I pretty much know how it works. That's why I say what I say. 😉
SW-User
I don't follow any specific ideology abd I'm my own person
Not a fan of labels either
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@SW-User ... then it sounds like you're heterodox to me.
Livingwell · 61-69, M
Yes, heterodox. I don't believe in abortion but I don't feel I have the right to impose in their choices. I also feel the govt overreaches it's authority in personal life choices. Why is the govt and states involved in health choices. Why aren't they focused on jobs, security, economy? Last, if you want to investigate something meaningful, get to the bottom of why gas is $4.65 and a small box of Cheerios is $7.00???
Ferric67 · M
I've always been beating to my own drum, and I don't care if others can't understand my tune.

My most obvious example, I refuse to get a cell phone

People need to unplug
Fact is, this world needs a reboot
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@Ferric67 amusing isn't it? the same people that can't live a week without shitbook, twatter, etc. think they can overwhelm & intimidate those of us that can survive just fine without internet, electricity, etc. 🤔
Slade · 56-60, M
I ♥️ hetero anything!
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I suppose it comes down to what we consider as being orthodoxy vs heterodoxy.

For example: Biologists are generally more atheistic and generally accept the basis of evolution while debating around the specifics to push understanding forward.

You could say they have their own orthodoxy in that regard. But I don't think that's bad. It's reached that state for a fairly good reason, given evidence at hand in their field. While it is good to have a small number of non-orthodox participants challenging the orthodoxy, a majority heterodoxy would imply that bad science is leading to inconsistencies in hypothesis and testing.

In other areas that are less certain, heterodoxy allows for more ideas that can be tested more quickly. New fields of study should have high heterodoxy and hopefully trend to more orthodoxy as it matures.

At the end of the day you don't want purity in either though. Pure heterodoxy makes progress difficult because collaboration is challenging. Pure orthodoxy leads to stagnation and inflexibility in society, reducing our ability to adapt to change.

Striking the balance is difficult.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@ViciDraco Has the internet been a hindrance to finding that balance, for instance by promoting tribalism?
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@irishmolly72 I don't think the internet has promoted tribalism as much as people like to give it credit. I think it has put a spotlight on tribalism by breaking typical local boundaries. Individual communities used to have high tribalism among themselves. The internet has taken geography out of tribal formations. So now people see more tribes in their local areas.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@ViciDraco I see. Interesting observation.
Gloomy · F
Are you heterodox in economic terms?
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@Gloomy Absolutely.
LandOfOz · 61-69, M
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@LandOfOz
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hearing-loss/in-depth/hearing-aids/art-20044116
LandOfOz · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 you dont believe in what the medics say do you
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@LandOfOz What?

 
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