Silly Brits want a war with Russia

@gol979 Serious question. Do you have any evidence that Starmer was not duly elected?

@hippyjoe1955 he was elected but the vast majority either dont vote or voted for other parties. Representative democracy is a scam imo. Sir kier's views do not represent the vast majority of people. Same as most governments across the world.

And if people actually looked into his record without bias they would see who he really is and who he represents

@hippyjoe1955 evil is subjective but he has a long track record of working for/heading banks and central banks and that should be a massive red flag for anyone thinking he is going to represent "normal" people. These people are not liberal(s) same as the tories and republicans are not conservative(s)

@gol979 Despite being a British native living in Britian, and despite some misgivings about ou rpresent government, I have no idea what you are talking about. Have you?

@ArishMell what point are you missing old chap?

@gol979 I watched a video of him answering questions from his loyal media followers. He was extremely dismissive of their questions to such an extent that I think he lost a few media lovers in the process. When you lose the very liberal CBC you lost the liberal vote.

@hippyjoe1955 yep, they arent liberals, they are all authoritarians. And until people stop voting you can always count people still voting the "lesser of 2 evils". Its still evil

@gol979 You are absolutely right. I loathe Carney but my alternative is Polievere who is a little dough boy who says the words he thinks people want to hear. I have yet to see any action from any of them. Years ago Alberta had a premier named Klein. He was a forerunner of Trump and he set out to slash government spending. He made an across the board 20% cut. One in five civil servants either got early retirement or a buyout or were simply fired. The level of service went up, Morale in the bureaucracy went up, Taxes went down. The economy boomed, All the deficits were eliminated and the debts paid in full. We need that kind of leadership in all of the countries of the west. Individual freedom over stifling socialism

@gol979 If I misssed any point at all in your negativity and sneering, it would seem that you favour dictatorships with no, or only "show", elections. As long of course, as they are based on whatever unstated dogma you support.

@ArishMell Can you define dictatorship? From where I sit Starmer is a complete dictator. He is cancelling free speech and destroying people's lives and livelihoods for no reason other than he can.

@ArishMell strange how you claim to not understand what i am saying but then give me chapter and verse about my "negativity and sneering" (not sure where thats coming from) and that im in favour of dictatorships (again not sure where you are getting that ). But if you wamt to chat about sir kier being member of the tri-lateral commission (whos stated goal is to curb the excess of democracy), protecting jimmy saville, being a QC for PIE who wanted the age of consent down to 11 or condemning julian assange to rot.......lets have a natter

@gol979 Please cite the references to your accusations.

I know Sir Kier Starma was a barrister, but left that profession to enter politics. Anyway under UK Law even the most egregious of offenders are still entitled to a defence barrister in Court; which is NOT the same as condoning them.

I know what PIE was: there was a recent BBC Radio Four investigative series into it. Thankfully it came to an end years ago; though of course there always were and always be people about who have those sort of odious drives. Jimmy Saville was found out, thrown out, is dead - may he soon be forgotten.

What "Tri-Lateral Commission"? Please name its official title, its three (hence "tri") parties and its public web-site so I may read its own words for myself rather than being told what to think it says.

Assange: wasn't he the one who did his dammdest to undermine US secutury and to Hell with the consequecnes?

@ArishMell so you know what PIE is and starmers role. You know about saville and he was "found out" way before he was dead, starmer played his part in that cover up. You know about assange but are parroting the line "he is undermining US security" and starmers role in persecuting him for reporting war crimes. And the trilateral commission is called......the trilateral commission

@gol979 Of coruse I know those things, except the "Tri-lateral Commission" - but I see you have not given its web-site name as I asked.

You might not understand UK Law, but in a Crown Court case used for serious offences, the defendant is entitled to a defence barrister. He or she is NOT there to condone or try to hide the offence, but is there to question the allegations against the defendant.


Despite your resistance to hgelping me, I looked into the Trilateral Commission:



(Wikipedia)

Fine so far. Nothing wrong with that; indeed, international co-operation is wrong only to the narrowest of nationalist, isolationist xenophobes. No nation is an island except perhaps by accident of physical geography; and co-operating is far better than avoiding or worse, fighting, each other.

Also note... "non-governmental". That means among things it does not create policies and laws.

Problems? We are told some far better placed than you and I to know about these things, have expressed misgivings about it; but also that like many international groups, it is the victim of "conspiracy theories". That is illogical for a start because it operates far too openly, publishing members' names, etc. A conspiracy relies on secrecy including of its membership.

So am I worried about it? NO. I have seen no evidence to make me worry about it.

Am I am worried that its members include Sir Keir Starmer, a barrister turned politician and now Leader of the Labout Party and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? NO: why should I be?


What is to stop me thinking your rather shallow attacks merely anti-British sentiment?

@ArishMell criticising starmer is anti-british?? What does that even mean?

You asked for the "official name" of the trilateral commission, nothing about a website. But its all good now, you have read up for 2minutes on it and copied and pasted wikipedia so you are in the know now.

You have a difference of opinion to me, which is all good, but i will keep calling out establishment swamp creatures, such as starmer and you can keep supporting them and this tyrannical system

@gol979 All right, if you are not merely anti-British, why do you loathe Sir Keir so much? Is it because he was a defence barrister in very serious criminal cases? Because he is Prime Minister of a foreign country? For his membership of an international talking-shop? Or just blind hatred of the man as a person?

I has asked for that information because I had not heard of the Trilateral Commission, and though I did not initially find that directly I trust Wikipedia - which is independent - far more than being told what to think of people and things by their self-appointed enemies. The TL is not secret, in fact it is very open, but it probably receives little Press coverage because it is not especially important. It discusses serious matters seriously and constructively but is still really a talking-shop. It is not a policy-maker like, say, the UN or EU.


I do question some of Starmer's and his government's political ideas very critically, but I do not think any of them "evil" or hate them as human beings.

He is only doing his job. He was elected as a Constituency MP (not as PM - he is not a president), his Party chose him as its Leader; his Party won the latest General Election so making him Prime Minister. I respect him as a person, but I do not always agree with how he is doing it.


I have since looked further.

This quote is from the home page of the TC's own site, Trilateral.org, which I assume you have also examined:
Do you share those values? If not, why not?


Another reason for not thinking as you want me to think, is your language. Calling people "establishment swamp creatures", raking up and distorting past events instead of examining present matters, and waffling about "this [which?] tyrannical system" suggests you do not worry about accuracy, fairness and analysis.

@ArishMell like i said you have a different opinion to me, no bother at all. And if you are just going to go along/think whatever the trilateral commission writes on their website thats up to you, keep believing the marketing.

Nothing i have said is incorrect. Starmers record is there for everyone to see and if you support him thats up to you.

And so what if im "foreign", as you assume.....if you are applying that to me then apply your own standards to yourself and only talk about britain.

And lefties should know better than to trust wikipedia as independent.....look up Phillip Cross. But same as all statists.......their thoughts are not their own and can change poles from day to day.

@gol979 You imply I am a "leftist". I don't know why; nor how you define that.

All this has nothing to do with my political leanings, which I have not stated at all. I did not state how I voted, nor which Parliamentary Party I generally support. I did not say much at all about which policies by any of the UK's several main parties I support or oppose, irrespective of my general view of each party.

(At least we have a choice. The USA has really only two parties of any size; some nations have only one "party" and elections that at best, are only between members of the ruling party.)


If I can't trust Wikipedia I certainly can't trust a social-media site for other than opinions. You despising Keir Starmer and the Trilateral Commission for no logical reason is no evidence against them.

I have an open mind on the TC because I do not know what, if anything, it as a body has done right or wrong. Nor could do.

It proudly says it supports democracy, openess and international co-operation - which I think all good.

It may express views you oppose, it may express views I oppose; but I see nothing wrong with that. What matters is that it is not an executive organisation.