Silly Brits want a war with Russia

@gol979 All right, if you are not merely anti-British, why do you loathe Sir Keir so much? Is it because he was a defence barrister in very serious criminal cases? Because he is Prime Minister of a foreign country? For his membership of an international talking-shop? Or just blind hatred of the man as a person?

I has asked for that information because I had not heard of the Trilateral Commission, and though I did not initially find that directly I trust Wikipedia - which is independent - far more than being told what to think of people and things by their self-appointed enemies. The TL is not secret, in fact it is very open, but it probably receives little Press coverage because it is not especially important. It discusses serious matters seriously and constructively but is still really a talking-shop. It is not a policy-maker like, say, the UN or EU.


I do question some of Starmer's and his government's political ideas very critically, but I do not think any of them "evil" or hate them as human beings.

He is only doing his job. He was elected as a Constituency MP (not as PM - he is not a president), his Party chose him as its Leader; his Party won the latest General Election so making him Prime Minister. I respect him as a person, but I do not always agree with how he is doing it.


I have since looked further.

This quote is from the home page of the TC's own site, Trilateral.org, which I assume you have also examined:
Do you share those values? If not, why not?


Another reason for not thinking as you want me to think, is your language. Calling people "establishment swamp creatures", raking up and distorting past events instead of examining present matters, and waffling about "this [which?] tyrannical system" suggests you do not worry about accuracy, fairness and analysis.

@ArishMell like i said you have a different opinion to me, no bother at all. And if you are just going to go along/think whatever the trilateral commission writes on their website thats up to you, keep believing the marketing.

Nothing i have said is incorrect. Starmers record is there for everyone to see and if you support him thats up to you.

And so what if im "foreign", as you assume.....if you are applying that to me then apply your own standards to yourself and only talk about britain.

And lefties should know better than to trust wikipedia as independent.....look up Phillip Cross. But same as all statists.......their thoughts are not their own and can change poles from day to day.

@gol979 You imply I am a "leftist". I don't know why; nor how you define that.

All this has nothing to do with my political leanings, which I have not stated at all. I did not state how I voted, nor which Parliamentary Party I generally support. I did not say much at all about which policies by any of the UK's several main parties I support or oppose, irrespective of my general view of each party.

(At least we have a choice. The USA has really only two parties of any size; some nations have only one "party" and elections that at best, are only between members of the ruling party.)


If I can't trust Wikipedia I certainly can't trust a social-media site for other than opinions. You despising Keir Starmer and the Trilateral Commission for no logical reason is no evidence against them.

I have an open mind on the TC because I do not know what, if anything, it as a body has done right or wrong. Nor could do.

It proudly says it supports democracy, openess and international co-operation - which I think all good.

It may express views you oppose, it may express views I oppose; but I see nothing wrong with that. What matters is that it is not an executive organisation.

@ArishMell You are not aware that Boris was the leader that convinced Zelensky not to sign the peace treaty when this war was just getting started? Everyone else in the world knows about Boris' trip to Kiev. Maybe you watch too much BBC.

@hippyjoe1955 I don't watch TV as I don't have one, but do listen to the radio - I know you want to denigrate the BBC because it broadcasts news and views from both sides of conflicts not just the ones you support.

After all, it still has a correspondent in Russia as well as Ukraine, and trusted contacts in Palestine as well as Israel. (Israel does it best to keep foreign journalists out of Palestine - perhaps frightened they might find things the IDF don't want publicised.)

It even has trusted American journalists alongside its own, British, ones in that most dificult and divided of all nations not actually at war on its own land: the USA!

Most likely I had simply forgotten any part Mr. Johnson may or may not have played, but he did not start the war there. President Putin did that, remember.

Nevertheless any "peace treaty" between Ukraine and Russia would only ever be in Russia;s favour. Putin has never made that a secret. There was no need for anyone to make a "peace treaty" until war had started - which was the day Putin ordered his army to invade Ukraine after lying through his teeth even to his troops.

Putin wants Ukraine, and any "treaty" he would recognise is only one that gives as much as possible of it to him. He had already stolen the Crimean peninusula (in 2014) with little opposition then linked that directly to Russian territory by having road and rail bridges bulit across the Kersch Strait.

Would he stop there? No-one thinks he will although he has been careful not to reveal any further ambitions he might have.

Previously he had crushed attempts at independence by Georgai and Chechnya, and he continues to crush all opposition to him by his own subjects.

@ArishMell I don't watch TV or listen to the radio either. Well not without discernment. Yes the BBC is a propaganda arm of the globalist movement. The same movement that has brought millions of people into nations that did not need them nor want them.

Yes Boris went to Kiev and convinced Zelensky that the west would save him and help him triumph over Russia even as Boris failed to mention it would come at a horrendous cost as millions of Ukrainians would be killed and even more millions Ukrainians would flee and even if Ukraine should somehow magically prevail the west would denude Ukraine of its resources.

Such is the evil you support. Of course that leaves out the Nazis that the west was supporting in Ukraine to provoke the stupid war in the first place.