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Has he considered that if Truss can't deliver on the benefits of Leave, that may be because there aren't any benefits? (Apart from being able to move the signs in the Dartford Tunnel, as the sole benefit identified by our Minister for Brexit Opportunities)
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I hate to be the one to say it but the U.K simply can't take any more migrants as it doesn't have the infrastructure to accommodate poor people. While houses are being built, only a select few are affordable to people. Most of these properties are built for prospective home owners so they can't be used to house migrants, or even working-class British people. It amazes me how people on the Left simply refuse to recognize this problem because it's a VERY real problem. If the U.K rejoins the E.U, they will have an increased responsibility to provide homes that they aren't willing to provide to migrants. Due to this lack of willingness, they will put migrants where someone who has lived in this country for longer could or otherwise would have lived. Of course the U.K could build homes for poor people but it won't because that is what this country is...it's capitalist and in the past 10-15 years has become more capitalist. This problem will not be resolved by rejoining the E.U as it will just make it worse for the working-class. I don't think it would even make a difference to the cost of living as once prices go up, they stay up. The only thing it could achieve is making it easier for people to get out of this shitty country.

Also, I should conclude this post by noting that it's not right to ignore a democratic vote. Regardless of whether they were promised things that wouldn't happen or not...most people who voted in the referendum voted to leave, even if by a small margin. We are told lies by political candidates all the time and they go back on promises and fail to deliver yet we don't get to vote again until the next election *unless* they do something very bad, and then it will just be another person from their Party leading. Every political campaign features lies and false hope so this is not unique to Brexit.
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@SW-User Okie, and? You don't have a point...in case you aren't aware.

That's wrong. I suggest you read this: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/net-migration
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@SW-User My point was that the British people only wanted to leave the EU. They did not want to leave the single market. The two are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, I think the British people will accept re-entering the single market with the resultant free movement of people as an acceptable trade-off. Reduced trading barriers, being able to live and work in the EU, but not actually a part of it.

And wrong:

According to the estimates by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), net migration from overseas to the UK in the year ending March 2020 totalled 313,000 - the highest in four years and approaching the all-time record of 331,000 in the year to March 2015.
Total long-term immigration by those of all citizenships (715,000), and total immigration by non-UK citizens (633,000) [b]were both at the highest levels ever recorded.[/b]
Net migration to the UK from outside the EU nearly tripled since the year to March 2013 (when it was 106,000) to its highest level ever - 316,000.
Net migration to the UK from the EU has fallen, from 219,000 in the year to March 2015, to 58,000 in the most recent year.
There was a net departure of 61,000 British citizens to other countries.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
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@SW-User Uh, no lol. Even Norway, which isn't in the E.U, has to accept many of its rules and regulations due to being in the single market. A "soft" Brexit was never going to be a realistic option IF the U.K was to pursue its goal of controlling migration from the E.U and dispensing with all E.U laws that it didn't want. A considerable number of British people would have liked to have remained in the single market, but not at the expense of controlling European migration. Most Brexiters who led the campaign to leave also wanted to exit the single market because they knew it would be counterproductive to stay in it. Again, Norway *is* partially subject to E.U rules.

We should establish that the U.K only officially left the European Union in 2020 so time will tell as to what the true impact of leaving will be on net migration. The stats I have, however, all say there has been a steady decline in overall net migration. Stats indicate that migration from non-E.U countries has risen somewhat but that [b][u]net migration[/u][/b] has still decreased. To that extent you really don't have an argument, especially when you consider my original point...which is that if the U.K did rejoin the E.U migration from Europe would increase and so there would be a greater need to provide homes for people when there is already a housing crisis. This is incredibly simple to understand so perhaps you could explain to me why you find it so difficult to grasp?

Yulianna22-25, F
it is pretty clear that UK could not rejoin EU on such favourable terms as before. certainly no rebate that Thatcher negotiated, probably have to join Schengen agreement, maybe even adopt Euro.

but why would you rejoin? you know the benefits of leaving have been huge, so far you have signed many trade agreements giving you exactly the terms you had within EU. a great achievement.

the bright, shining future awaits you. all you have to do is be it.
Yulianna22-25, F
@Elessar 馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ
Yulianna22-25, F
@SW-User good luck with that...

UK is not going to give up the manifest benefits of its independent trade policy.
KiwiBird36-40, F
@Yulianna Funniest comment on a post today. Love Ironic Sarcasm
Justenjoyit56-60, M
Brexit was just a dream and quite a few people sold that dream to themselves unfortunately. Good thing about Brexit every other country in the EU know its not a good decision to leave, bad thing about Brexit is now the UK will become a smaller economy and if decided to join hhe EU in some way would have a lot less influence on how the EU is run and just have to take and accept what the EU gives them, the French and Germans will love that 馃ぃ
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@SW-User Regardless of what the UK's official policies are regarding immigration, it's a fact that incidents of racism and hate crime have increased since Brexit. The UK is no longer the tolerant haven it was once perceived to be. Not that it ever was.
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@SW-User [quote]Personally if I thought a country was racist, I would never live there.[/quote] [quote]The only thing it could achieve is making it easier for people to get out of this shitty country.[/quote]
You don't seem to think much of the UK yourself...
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@SW-User Now you're just trying to introduce new arguments lol. You made no mention of these hate crimes previously in our discord, so why are they now suddenly relevant? I think if hate crimes were a prevalent issue, you'd have explicitly mentioned them in your first response to me.

The reality though is that the U.K does not have a significant issue with hate crimes aimed at ethnic minority groups.

As for what I think about the U.K, I view it as a good country in some respects...but bad in others. Racism is in no way a prevalent or poorly handled issue in this country, and it has actually made it a priority to represent minority groups in most areas. It would be better if you focused on issues like class disparity, unfair taxes, unfair laws, and too much government overreach as these are all more significant problems in the U.K.
WintaTheAngle41-45, M
It won鈥檛 happen. And even if it did there鈥檚 no reason for the EU to want to go back on such a messy divorce.
TheSirfurryanimalWales61-69, M
We would need another referendum.
That would be fun.
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@TheSirfurryanimalWales The UK won't rejoin the EU, if only because the British people will not accept the Euro. The Single Market, on the other hand...
NorthwestM
[quote]that may be because there aren't any benefits?[/quote]

You may be on to something. 馃ぃ
Strictmichael7561-69, M
Not possible at all
A lot of European member states would refuse and you need a unanimous agreement which won鈥檛 happen
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There should be rejoining penalties, if rejoining is even granted

Stupidity should have a price, even if it has to be shared by the non-stupid in the short term, so hopefully the stupid are permanently eradicated in the long term
Justenjoyit56-60, M
@SW-User Just blame David Cameron and co
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@SW-User The price for stupidity is accepting the Euro

 
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