Yulianna · 26-30, F
history is clear... it was the soviet army that destroyed the german army on the ground. airpower from mainly usa but also uk damaged german industry and infrastructure to the point where it could not cover losses.
usa did not enter war in europe until hitler declared war on usa shortly after pearl harbour attack by japan. roosevelt was constrained by strong isolationist lobby in us, charles lindberg among the pro german activists.
usa did not enter war in europe until hitler declared war on usa shortly after pearl harbour attack by japan. roosevelt was constrained by strong isolationist lobby in us, charles lindberg among the pro german activists.
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UpForItNow · 22-25, F
It was Britain who stood alone against Nazi Germany for a long time.
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UpForItNow · 22-25, F
@Reaper8541 Indeed, once America had entered the war, though in the initial, lengthy period referred to, Britain was the only country willing AND able to stand against Germany in the international theatre. It also became the home of resistance governments in exile and of many refugees who other countries would not take.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@ScarletWitch Lol, awesome video.
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
America, being America, concentrates on America's contributions to the war effort. A lot of Americans are still surprised to learn that the war had been going on for two years in Europe and, arguably, a decade in Asia by the time the US got involved.
Also America being America, what happened in the Soviet Union isn't well known here. (I run into the occasional person who believes Russia was the enemy in WWII.)
There is a lot of misinformation about the war over here ("We let Russia make it into Berlin first!"). That being said, it would be just as much of a mistake to minimize America's contributions to the war effort. A significant amount of the materiel the Allies used to win the war on both fronts rolled out of American factories. When all is said and done, it was a team effort.
Many of the people who best know what actually happened in the war in Europe — wargamers. Seriously.
Also America being America, what happened in the Soviet Union isn't well known here. (I run into the occasional person who believes Russia was the enemy in WWII.)
There is a lot of misinformation about the war over here ("We let Russia make it into Berlin first!"). That being said, it would be just as much of a mistake to minimize America's contributions to the war effort. A significant amount of the materiel the Allies used to win the war on both fronts rolled out of American factories. When all is said and done, it was a team effort.
Many of the people who best know what actually happened in the war in Europe — wargamers. Seriously.
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@DunningKruger thank you, all very true, and referenced in some of the earlier postings.
serious wargamers have a vested interested in knowing real history, so that they can test alternative strategies and outcomes.
serious wargamers have a vested interested in knowing real history, so that they can test alternative strategies and outcomes.
ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
@DunningKruger nice answer!

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@DunningKruger I loved your answer. Providing knowledge but at the same time answering the actual question. Thank you!
room101 · 51-55, M
As a fellow Greek, all I can say is.........ΟΧΙ!
28th October 1940.
My point being, many countries played their part and quite a few had seminal moments without which the outcome of WW2 could have been very different.
But to answer your question, from my experiences with my American friends and acquaintances, I don't get the impression that they are taught this at school specifically. It's simply the propaganda that many of them adopt and repeat.
28th October 1940.
My point being, many countries played their part and quite a few had seminal moments without which the outcome of WW2 could have been very different.
But to answer your question, from my experiences with my American friends and acquaintances, I don't get the impression that they are taught this at school specifically. It's simply the propaganda that many of them adopt and repeat.

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@room101 Aahh, I hadn't considered the whole "propaganda" thing. Thank you, that also makes sense.
Anonymartyr · M
Some American volunteers went to the European conflict by joining Canadians on troop ships bound for England but the USA was not officially involved in WWII until the bombing of Pearl Harbour. The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima would not have influenced the war in Europe much. The end of WWII came about both by Canadians finally taking key strategic beaches on the west coast of Europe and by the Russians who bated the Germans further into their cold north, flanking and surrounding them to cut off their supply lines completely.
Ever ask an American "to what HOLY SITE were the founders of the thirteen colonies headed for on their "PILGRIMAGE"? Or "To what REPUBLIC (swearing allegiance to the flag and to the republic on which it stands) are they swearing allegiance to? Like the Roman Empire did (and the Roman Catholic Church) Americans edited and rewrote their history.
Ever ask an American "to what HOLY SITE were the founders of the thirteen colonies headed for on their "PILGRIMAGE"? Or "To what REPUBLIC (swearing allegiance to the flag and to the republic on which it stands) are they swearing allegiance to? Like the Roman Empire did (and the Roman Catholic Church) Americans edited and rewrote their history.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
Well, to be fair, it took all the Allies to bring down the German war machine. For Americans to discount the contributions of the Red Army is not fair. But for others to discount to contributions of the Americans is also not fair. Both the US and the USSR were late comers to the war in Europe and both only joined when war came to their shores.
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@sarabee1995 i think you need to learn more about the molotov-ribbentrop pact, and its protocols, including the division of poland. germany invaded poland 01 september 1939. ussr invaded poland on 17 september 1939. it is inaccurate to say that ussr was late to the war (other than by 16 days), or only reacted to the german invasion.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@TheSirfurryanimalWales Thanks, and yes, if he had stuck to a one front war, the result might have been very different.
@Yulianna Yes, I am familiar with NAZI Germany & the USSR and their non-aggression pact and with the secret side deals it entailed. And all of this makes my point. The USSR was late to confronting NAZI Germany (as was the USA). In both cases, we stayed out of the war until the Axis powers brought the war to us.
@Yulianna Yes, I am familiar with NAZI Germany & the USSR and their non-aggression pact and with the secret side deals it entailed. And all of this makes my point. The USSR was late to confronting NAZI Germany (as was the USA). In both cases, we stayed out of the war until the Axis powers brought the war to us.
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 And the infamous’I have in my hand a piece of paper’ was supposed to stop us going to war with Germany.Hitler falsely believed we would leave him to do as he wished.Another foolish mistake.And we can never know if he would have left us alone.
Cierzo · M
European here. I was taught more or less the same. What I was not taught is that American supplies aided the Red Army. I was not taught either that Patton wanted to go on with the war and defeat communist USSR. I was taught about Hiroshima, but not about Dresden. I was taught about the German concentration camps but not about the Japanese atrocities in Eastern Asia. I was not taught why fighting the nazis was the right thing to do, but signing agreements with the communists in Yalta was fine too.
I was thought a partial, biased view, with a devilish country that was accountant for all the evil going on between 1939 and 1945, instead of different kinds of evil. I was taught that the root of evil came from Europe, and Europe had to pay for it. I was taught a lot of bullshit.
I was thought a partial, biased view, with a devilish country that was accountant for all the evil going on between 1939 and 1945, instead of different kinds of evil. I was taught that the root of evil came from Europe, and Europe had to pay for it. I was taught a lot of bullshit.

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@Cierzo This is...such an accurate description of, I'm guessing, what most of us were taught, you are right.
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
This video provides a solid explation regarding the importance of US involvement in WW2.
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-60bP1hnpaI]
There's always going to be a bias in history, with the victor authoring it. As the US emerged out of the conflict intact compared to the other warring powers, becoming the world's sole superpower, we kinda got to write the narrative.
Germany lost a majority of its troops, etc on the Eastern front. That being said, if WW2 were just Germany and the USSR going at it without other countries in the mix, the USSR would've fallen.
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-60bP1hnpaI]
There's always going to be a bias in history, with the victor authoring it. As the US emerged out of the conflict intact compared to the other warring powers, becoming the world's sole superpower, we kinda got to write the narrative.
Germany lost a majority of its troops, etc on the Eastern front. That being said, if WW2 were just Germany and the USSR going at it without other countries in the mix, the USSR would've fallen.

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How do you explain that no one else is taught this "narrative"?
Don't get me wrong, everything you said makes sense.
As the US emerged out of the conflict intact compared to the other warring powers, becoming the world's sole superpower, we kinda got to write the narrative.
How do you explain that no one else is taught this "narrative"?
Don't get me wrong, everything you said makes sense.
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
@SW-User if I am to hazard a guess, it's due to the proximity that other countries had to the conflict. They were fighting in their backyards, so it seems appropriate for them to hold their sacrifice in a higher regard than the US's, a country that joined at the last 'minute', as they may say.

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@deadgerbil I see. Makes sense. Thank you!

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Thank you (almost) everyone for your answers.
One thing I found quite interesting was the fact that some of you answered the questions in a "yes it was Russia/the US that ended the war but with the help of *enter the person's home country*".
Another quite interesting thing was that some of the lovely Brits decided to go that extra mile of cockiness in order to answer...even though the question was not about Britain.
Finally, when a question requires a simple "yes or no" answer (-is that what you were taught? -yes/no/ I don't remember) focus on that instead of trying to explain why you're so proud of your country!!
One thing I found quite interesting was the fact that some of you answered the questions in a "yes it was Russia/the US that ended the war but with the help of *enter the person's home country*".
Another quite interesting thing was that some of the lovely Brits decided to go that extra mile of cockiness in order to answer...even though the question was not about Britain.
Finally, when a question requires a simple "yes or no" answer (-is that what you were taught? -yes/no/ I don't remember) focus on that instead of trying to explain why you're so proud of your country!!
ScarletWitch · 31-35, F
@SW-User I swear I only knew all of this becuz of that one tiktok I showed u... otherwise I'd know shit lol

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@ScarletWitch Really? Hahaha. But that's at least something!
ScarletWitch · 31-35, F
@SW-User he made a part 2.
https://vm.tiktok.com/9LxuWB/
https://vm.tiktok.com/9LxuWB/

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Canadian, I'm told Americans were the last to join WWII, as well. I've also heard Russia played an insurmountable part in ending the war. I've never tried to verify those accounts, but what you say adds up to me.

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@SW-User America rewrites history all the time. It's egocentric, but that seems to be their salvation.
@SW-User i can confirm that what taught in Asia is the same with European version

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@YukikoAmagi Thank you!!
tj786100 · 51-55, M
I should probably say here too that 1) America is HUGE, so teaching is not the same everywhere (both in quality overall and focus on WWII), and 2) FAR, FAR, FAR too many Americans are completely uninterested in its history.
Seriously, my in-laws are completely oblivious to history, and they are otherwise intelligent people. Without a question, many of those who DON'T PURSUE learning and knowledge of WWII and how it really went would say "the US won it for those other guys".
I guess I'm saying, it isn't necessarily the actual education in many cases, but rather the shallowness or interest of the individuals receiving the education. My mom and dad lived during WWII - so I grew up with stories and with a natural interest. In the years since then, there is just no tie for people to the war, and so education and interest has waned significantly which causes a tendency to oversimplify to "yep, we won it".
Seriously, my in-laws are completely oblivious to history, and they are otherwise intelligent people. Without a question, many of those who DON'T PURSUE learning and knowledge of WWII and how it really went would say "the US won it for those other guys".
I guess I'm saying, it isn't necessarily the actual education in many cases, but rather the shallowness or interest of the individuals receiving the education. My mom and dad lived during WWII - so I grew up with stories and with a natural interest. In the years since then, there is just no tie for people to the war, and so education and interest has waned significantly which causes a tendency to oversimplify to "yep, we won it".

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@tj786100 I see. Someone else actually mentioned propaganda and shallowness and I hadn't even considered that. Thank you for making it clear, that was the whole point of the.question
JRVanguard · 26-30, M
A lot of people I’ve met here think we won the Revolutionary War by ourselves too
We like to make our part seem more important
We like to make our part seem more important
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
I don't like it when people say "us" like they were there lol.

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@Ryannnnnn Ugh, exactly, THANK YOU!
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RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M
US public schools don't even teach history anymore. They basically show you a painting of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, some cannons and boats, and then piles of dead Jews when we get to the Holocaust unit. Everything else I had to read on my own.
But yes, it is true that the US turned the tide of the war. France was screwed, English forces were stretched thinner than me buttering toast when the butter container is empty. Everyone else was irrelevant, neutral, or Axis. After the ground froze in the beginning of winter during Operation Barbarossa the German tanks and mechanized support were freed from the mud and actually got about 30-40 miles from Moscow. Hitler chose not to punch through instead opted to take a few Northern cities like Leningrad to cripple Soviet industrial capacity, as well as the oil fields to the South to fuel German armored divisions in the area. This decision, plus the US attacking them on the Western front led to the German's downfall.
As has been said many times, the victors write the history. And because of this a lot of people don't appreciate just how close Germany came to victory. It was basically a couple bad decisions and bad luck that cost them the war.
But yes, it is true that the US turned the tide of the war. France was screwed, English forces were stretched thinner than me buttering toast when the butter container is empty. Everyone else was irrelevant, neutral, or Axis. After the ground froze in the beginning of winter during Operation Barbarossa the German tanks and mechanized support were freed from the mud and actually got about 30-40 miles from Moscow. Hitler chose not to punch through instead opted to take a few Northern cities like Leningrad to cripple Soviet industrial capacity, as well as the oil fields to the South to fuel German armored divisions in the area. This decision, plus the US attacking them on the Western front led to the German's downfall.
As has been said many times, the victors write the history. And because of this a lot of people don't appreciate just how close Germany came to victory. It was basically a couple bad decisions and bad luck that cost them the war.
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
Hitlers obsession with Russia did play a serious part in Germany losing the war-Churchill was quite keen on invading Russia after it ended but the Americans talked him out of it.
American help was invaluable in ending the war but they were late players in the game.Pearl Harbour helped in getting them involved.But if Americans are taught that they and they alone ended the war in Europe then that’s a bit rich.I can’t believe they are.The War in Asia is another matter.The Nuclear bombs undoubtedly caused Japans surrender.
American help was invaluable in ending the war but they were late players in the game.Pearl Harbour helped in getting them involved.But if Americans are taught that they and they alone ended the war in Europe then that’s a bit rich.I can’t believe they are.The War in Asia is another matter.The Nuclear bombs undoubtedly caused Japans surrender.
i'll tell this again and again : it was Red Army that stop Germany

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@YukikoAmagi Thank you! Cause... I'm seriously confused.
@SW-User you were right. I'm against this bullshit too
UpForItNow · 22-25, F
@YukikoAmagi And credit where it is due, the Red Army fought magnificently in finally breaking Germany in Europe, as did the US Marines (and other military services) in the Pacific in regard to Japan, and a host of less powerful allies and territories of the British empire in both theatres.
ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
No, it was a combined effort by all concerned...
ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
@SW-User I think the same attitude exists in Russia to an extent... Just call it nationalism and be done with it

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@ozgirl512 Ugh, true, unfortunately.
ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
@SW-User it's only a problem when you believe it lol
User41 · 36-40, M
For a while there, Britain stood alone against Germany.
If you want to criticize another country besides Germany, criticize the other European countries that literally let Nazi Germany steam roll right over them...
If you want to criticize another country besides Germany, criticize the other European countries that literally let Nazi Germany steam roll right over them...

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@User41 Most European countries had to stand alone against Germany when it came to protecting themselves or do you think Britain was there for every single country when they got attacked? Because, well...that was not the case. I don't know why you all get so defensive and proud of your countries when this is literally not what I am talking about. Britain was as much of a victim as any other country.
User41 · 36-40, M
I agree.
But I didn’t say otherwise in my reply 🤷🏻♂️@SW-User
But I didn’t say otherwise in my reply 🤷🏻♂️@SW-User

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@User41 Fair enough. Though you did say otherwise, kind of. Besides, my question was not about Britain, it was not even about "which country suffered the most??". You, just like some other people, somehow, decided to make it all about Britain and I just don't see the point of getting defensive or even proud of one's country in such cases.
We tried to remain Neutral. Pear Harbor, the Declaration of war on America by Hitler changed that. We did get the attention of Japan with 2 nuclear strikes. That said, realize the race for development and use of nuclear weapons was not only something America achieved. Look that up in history. The Russians had the winter to their advantage, otherwise the German military might well have decimated them. The Russians also had issues with Japan but hesitated until we (The US) defeated them...then Russia moved in. BTW I'm not attacking you. Just stating some facts. And as per Russia, the US, and Great Britain, the world in 1945 after the war changed and did so dramatically, and in the case of the US, cost us dearly, aka The Korean War and Viet-Nam.

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@soar2newhighs Is this what I asked...?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@soar2newhighs it wasn't only the winter. Invading the USSR was a silly idea. The USSR wasn't just Russia, in fact the army that stormed Berlin was in a large part from the Armenian SSR.
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jim2439 · 61-69, M
all of the above are some what correct , hitler made a grave mistake to go in to russia his generals tryed to stop him but he insisted, he lost a lot of young men and resources there thanks to the Russian army and the harsh winter, england did fight for a long time but the us did give alot of supplies and other help, france also put up a fight but the us meat the german army in many places like north africa, no one claims that russia was at normandy helping the resistance they m stayed in there country and fought there mostly on defence untill germany got run down and coundnt hold them back, put it this way pussia didnt see it as there job to save western european countries, they mostly defended them selves untill it was time to divide the spoils of war, one could always wonder if hitler didnt provoke russia and get them involved or if the US didnt get what would the outcome have been? the US really got in after the Japanese bombed US at pearl harbor so question is when would the US get in if it wasn't for that, i think thats why the US gets involved in so many things now ,, never to let that much evil go unchecked. sorry it got so lone but it really was complicated
xixgun · M
Every country teaches that their's was the country that won the war... regardless of which war.
If it's any consolation, history books in the US are routinely "rewritten", so as to keep with the political and social narrative of the day. The fact that history is made up of both good and bad things, means nothing.
This is why US college students are tearing down Civil War era statues (because they don't know that most of the statues represent those who fought slavery and sought equality for all, regardless of which side they fought for).
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs]
If it's any consolation, history books in the US are routinely "rewritten", so as to keep with the political and social narrative of the day. The fact that history is made up of both good and bad things, means nothing.
This is why US college students are tearing down Civil War era statues (because they don't know that most of the statues represent those who fought slavery and sought equality for all, regardless of which side they fought for).
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs]
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
It wasn't even the Russians, they couldn't advance. Much like China today they can hold their soil with their tanks but beyond that... it was Germany. Germany ended WW2 for us all
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mark245pineapple · 31-35, M
I don't remember much, but I can tell you without doubt we were not thought we were the ones to end the war.
We were thought we were of a major turning point to the war, but the russians were given their big credit where it was due.
Most of the pride went into the retaliation on Japan rather the involvement in Europe.
We were thought we were of a major turning point to the war, but the russians were given their big credit where it was due.
Most of the pride went into the retaliation on Japan rather the involvement in Europe.

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@mark245pineapple I see. Finally someone answering the question, thank you.
mark245pineapple · 31-35, M
@SW-User dont take me wrong, there was still quite some egoistic feeling as we went through the chapters on WW2, but never was it claimed that we were the reason it was ended or won.
more like, had Japan not summoned us, things might not be what they are today.
you know what I mean?
if you go down the street and ask people "How did Germany lose the war?"
like 60% of them will more than likely answer "hiroshima and Nagasaki".
there is so much pride in that, that you would not be able to digest it.
more like, had Japan not summoned us, things might not be what they are today.
you know what I mean?
if you go down the street and ask people "How did Germany lose the war?"
like 60% of them will more than likely answer "hiroshima and Nagasaki".
there is so much pride in that, that you would not be able to digest it.
Platinum · M
Everyone who was against the Germans and fought in ww2 helped end the war....too many died to even argue who did the most or least...
QuietEd2019 · 31-35, M
The Americans are always last to join even ww1 they took till 1917
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QuietEd2019 · 31-35, M
@Reaper8541 I don’t see late to the bloody party and trying to claim all the glory as very respectful to all the Europeans who lost their lives while US was bone idle
JeanAnna · F
It was the allied forces that ended the war. Everyone did their share to rid the world of Hitler's tyranny.
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@EnchantedArtist2 Yes, this is what we were taught.
ScarletWitch · 31-35, F
This should answer your question
https://vm.tiktok.com/9JDT2k/
Its literally less than 60 seconds. Just watch it.
https://vm.tiktok.com/9JDT2k/
Its literally less than 60 seconds. Just watch it.
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@Reaper8541 Indoctrinated? No, boy, I'm not American. That's why I ask questions.
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Numberz · F
Robert E Lee was a general I think.
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froggtongue · M
It happens in lot of wars. One side will only say parts of the truth that make them look good.
Mona86 · C
There’s nothing wrong with speaking German, most Europeans speak some German anyways , a lot of business is done a lot with Germany 🇩🇪
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
The allied forces won the war with Germany.

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True,it was a coalition of many countries that brought down the nazis 🙂
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
I'm not American, but I was taught the USSR did the majority of heavy lifting in ww2
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Cuda6868 · 51-55, M
@Reaper8541 Exactly right.
swirlie · F
There is a war museum in California I once went to while on vacation there and every plaque on the wall stated very clearly that it was the United States and the US alone that waged battle with Hitler. There was no mention of any other players, just the Americans against the Germans. What all that museum propaganda never mentioned however, was who it was exactly who was busy fighting the Germans for the first 2 years of the war from 1939 to 1941 when the USA was still back in America trying to get it's shit together.
The museum refers to those first 2 years as a period of 'confusion in Europe', where Germany was trying to figure out what to do, basically wandering around aimless and lost... until the USA showed up to kick their ass out of Dodge, which of course the US declared they did singlehandedly. It was absolutely laughable to read the American bullshit that was written on the plaques of their own museum walls! I have felt personally embarrassed for Americans in general ever since that vacation.
Something else I'd like to point out is that once again, the USA never entered the First World War until 3 years after that war got started, no different than showing up 2 years late for WWII. World War 1 ran from 1914 to 1918 and the US never set foot in Europe to help out until 1917, 3 years late! Shameful actually, for an able-bodied country, rich with resources, to just sit idle on the sidelines like that for the first halves of two World Wars.