Covid just my thoughts and my experience.

COVID can cause problems. And the vaccine can cause problems. So I stayed unvaccinated. As far as I know I never had Covid but have been not feeling right for like two years and was sick often. I seem to have gotten better now. But things are different still for me. But then again things change with age. It seems a catch 22 thing to me.

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spjennifer · 61-69, T

As a Nursing Director in a medium sized Hospital, all of our personnel have had to get vaccinated regularly, many of our Nurses and Doctors got Covid despite being vaccinated but not one of them died from it. Much too frequently we saw patients ending up dying in the ICU, begging us to vaccinate them, but it was far too late by then for most of them. We didn't see or hear of anyone here having problems because of the vaccines. Some chose not to get vaccinated and ended up losing their jobs because of it. Due to new variants of COVID-19 happening about every 6 months, I suspect we'll be needing vaccinations every year for the foreseeable future, the same as flu shots...

sree251 · 41-45, M

@spjennifer

Thank you for your report above. It paints a plausible scenario that does not invite dispute, not from me. Could you address my questions below?

You said:

many of our Nurses and Doctors got Covid despite being vaccinated but not one of them died from it.

What's the point to vaccination then?

Much too frequently we saw patients ending up dying in the ICU, begging us to vaccinate them, but it was far too late by then for most of them.

Were those cases involving patients with co-morbidities or were they healthy individuals whose deaths were caused by Covid symptoms?

We didn't see or hear of anyone here having problems because of the vaccines.

Are you saying that reports of adverse reactions including deaths due to vaccines are baseless rumors.

Due to new variants of COVID-19 happening about every 6 months, I suspect we'll be needing vaccinations every year for the foreseeable future, the same as flu shots..

Would you say that NIH coronavirus research programs endanger public health?

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@sree251

In answer to your questions:

What's the point to vaccination then?

To lessen the effects of Covid, no one ever said that getting the vaccine would actually prevent Covid, simply protect us from the harsher effects of it and I've seen the vaccines do that.

Were those cases involving patients with co-morbidities or were they healthy individuals whose deaths were caused by Covid symptoms?

Both, we saw patients with some preexisting conditions that were worsened with Covid but had they gotten the vaccine, perhaps the effects of it would have been less impactful and they might not have died... We also saw previously healthy patients dying from it too.

Are you saying that reports of adverse reactions including deaths due to vaccines are baseless rumors.

No, I'm saying that in our Hospital no one died from the effects of the vaccine, possibly anecdotal but it's what happened with us, can't say it didn't happen elsewhere but didn't see any reports of that happening on the scale mentioned by some so-called "Medical Professionals", so am skeptical it happened on those scales.

Would you say that NIH coronavirus research programs endanger public health?

Biomedical research isn't my field so can't say whether it does or doesn't but if no research is done, no vaccines would be developed and a lot more people will die, it's plain and simple really. I'm certain that there is some risk with research as there almost always is... I will say that I do believe that the vaccines saved lives and will continue to do so, we've seen it in real world circumstances, not some fantasy land conspiracy theories.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@spjennifer

In answer to your questions:

Thank you for your answers. They were professional, informative, and helpful.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@sree251 You're welcome. I will say this, once a significant number of the entire World's population were vaccinated, the death toll dropped to the point where it is in line with most annual Flu bugs. Yes, people are still dying from it but the numbers are nowhere near what they were in the first few months, anywhere. As the virus morphs and new strains develop, we will need new vaccines to combat them too. Eventually, the majority of the population will develop antibodies to most strains by natural exposure and the vaccines but may not have to the newer more virulent variants.

GeniUs · 56-60, M

@spjennifer

once a significant number of the entire World's population were vaccinated, the death toll dropped to the point where it is in line with most annual Flu bugs

That statement infers the vaccine is responsible for the fall but it fails to take in any other considerations such as the most vulnerable already having died. There are a myriad of other factors you have failed to take into account and you are posting this as if it comes from some authority, it is your personal opinion and I'd hazard to say an incorrect one.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@GeniUs

That statement infers the vaccine is responsible for the fall but it fails to take in any other considerations such as the most vulnerable already having died.

Interesting then that the drop in the death rates coincided with the vaccine being made available worldwide. The "most vulnerable" don't just die off, they are replaced daily as people age and new ones become the "most vulnerable" so your statement is invalid. Not sure where your information comes from but mine comes from 30+ years as an RN and being on the front lines in a medium-sized Hospital during the worst days of Covid. What "other factors" am I not taking into account? Comorbidities, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories? No, I'm not an "Authority" on Pandemics, nor Biomedicine but I am an authority on the care of patients in a Hospital setting and I base my opinion on what I've seen happen to actual patients, not on what I've read or heard or watched online...