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Why do they promulgate such bullshit?

We have a newspaper called Druthers that's dedicated to scare people. Here are some headlines: 1149 Athletes Have Died Suddenly Since The COVID Vaccine was Deployed...and: Diary Of A Dying Vaccinated Man...and: Ruminations Of Dying From The Vaxx.

WTF... TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!

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ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 tells @PhoenixPhail that

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

Too bad you've never once demonstrated any of my posts false! Too bad you never supply any data!! Too bad you base all your outlandish claims on questionable anecdotes!!!

Tell you what; I'll post the data again here, and you can take a shot at DEMONSTRATING that it's false. Not hinting that it might be false, but actually fulfilling your claim and DEMONSTRATING that it's false. Go for it, dude!!!

After all, YOU are the guy who said:

Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.

UPDATE

dIppyjoe's citations of questionable data about Australia in NO WAY demonstrates ANYTHING wrong with the data above.

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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues From Australia. A highly vaxed nation.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Congratulations! you just demonstrated that Covid killed thousands of Australians while it killed over a MILLION Americans. You just demonstrated how EFFECTIVE the lockdown and vaccine has been in Australia.

Australia's Covid deaths were FAR FAR lower than in the northern hemisphere as your column for 2020 shows. Their anti-Covid measures worked SPECTACULARLY well. Your mistake is in assuming the pandemic was the same in Australia as in North America.

This article explains how different Australia's pandemic has been: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/2022/sep/04/covid-pandemic-may-be-causing-more-deaths-than-australias-daily-numbers-suggest

BTW, what's the source of your data? And what is the baseline death rate there? Link please??

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ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Still no sources??? Without the baseline death rates for a longer span of time, your graphs tell me nothing. Source please???

Oh ,wait, I found the source. One guy posted it to twitter, LOL!!! https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Z3qpyGC7Q54J:https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1631414438799740928&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues A pre-print study published in February 2023 by Dr. Wilson Sy. It is corroborated by actuarial data from US insurance companies. Dr Sy is not a medical doctor. He is a statistician and makes no distinction in the cause of death. Simply excess deaths.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 Link to the pre-print please? Link to the insurance actuarial data please??

Dr Sy is not a medical doctor. He is a statistician and makes no distinction in the cause of death. Simply excess deaths.

Good to know.

So you're telling us that Dr Sy is in NO WAY claiming that my data is in any way false.

And you're telling us that Dr Sy is in NO WAY claiming that vaccine causes these deaths.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Go look it up yourself. Not smart enough to run a computer? Wow. No wonder why you got bamboozled into believing the killer jabs were saving lives. Too Funny

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955

Go look it up yourself.

That's right-wing code for "my source is too embarrassing to link to." Too Funny.

So far NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false.

Remember, that was what you claimed at the start.

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

Seriously dude, did you really think data about how the pandemic propagated in Australia would in any way shape or form falsify data about how the pandemic propagated in the US?? Talk about barking up the wrong tree, ROTFL!!!

So, the challenge is still in front of you. Go take another shot at DEMONSTRATING that my data is false. Not hinting that it might be false, but actually fulfilling your claim and DEMONSTRATING that it's false. You've got one strike; I'll give you two more chances.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues No code. Just a statement of fact. If you want the information you will look it up yourself. That you deny the information because I don't spoon feed you says much more about you than it says about a lack of sources.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 So far NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false.

Remember, that was what you claimed at the start.

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

Here's a thought - if you're trying to falsify data about the pandemic in the US, maybe use data from a little bit CLOSER to the US??

Swing and a miss, dude!!

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Nice selfie! Too funny! If that is the best you've got you lost the debate. You can't provide any evidence to refute what I posted. The facts are all on my side and boy do you look foolish.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 DUUUDE!! I don't HAVE to refute what you posted. The pandemic progressed very differently in Australia. So far NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false. Nice job barking up the wrong tree though!!

Remember what you claimed at the start?

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

Here's a thought - if you're trying to falsify data about the pandemic in the US, maybe use data from a little bit CLOSER to the US??

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ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 So you're admitting that you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE in any way shape or form that the data I presented is "demonstrably false."

Your claim

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

is 100% unsupported.

Everyone else on the planet ...

Both false AND a fine example of a bandwagon fallacy, LOL!!!

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Says the guy with cute memes and completely out of date data that he completely fails to properly cite. Run along son. You are at the bottom of a very deep hole. Stop digging.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 What citation are you questioning??

So far NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false.

Remember, that was what you claimed at the start.

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

So you still have NOTHING to support that claim???

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues You don't cite anything. You post silly graphs based on computer models. Sadly you are not bright enough to realize that what you post is nonsense. When you are confronted with real stats you deny.

Ceinwyn · 26-30, F

@hippyjoe1955 This twat DippyJoe is keeping busy today.

He deletes other people comments on his post if they don’t nod and agreed. He’s lucky others don’t do the same.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955

You don't cite anything.

Now THAT is a demonstrably false claim!
Look below the data table I posted at the start of this thread. See: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234 JAMA stands for Journal of the American Medical Association.

AND. So far NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false.

Remember, that was what you claimed at the start.

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

So you still have NOTHING to support that claim???

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues And you have no way of verifying the data. Too funny.

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 The data is published in peer reviewed journals and correlates well with data in a number of European countries. Multitple peer reviewers have checked the data I presented.

AND, so far, NOTHING you have presented in any way DEMONSTRATES that any of my data is false.

Remember, that was what you claimed at the start:

He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

You said "demonstrably false." We're still waiting for any "demonstration" or any sort of support for that claim whatsoever, LOL!!!

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Are you that dense that you believe peer review? Seriously? WOW!!!!

ElwoodBlues · M

@hippyjoe1955 You said "demonstrably false." We're still waiting for any "demonstration" or any sort of support for that claim whatsoever, LOL!!!

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues I saw a peer reviewed study showing the earth was flat. I didn't believe it either. Sadly flat earthers like you still fall for the Peer review scam.

ElwoodBlues · M

@ElwoodBlues Got a link?? Who cares - an idiot's peers will be other idiots, ROTFL!!!

You said "demonstrably false." We're still waiting for any "demonstration" or any sort of support for that claim whatsoever, LOL!!!

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