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Why do they promulgate such bullshit?

We have a newspaper called Druthers that's dedicated to scare people. Here are some headlines: 1149 Athletes Have Died Suddenly Since The COVID Vaccine was Deployed...and: Diary Of A Dying Vaccinated Man...and: Ruminations Of Dying From The Vaxx.

WTF... TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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@hippyjoe1955 tells @PhoenixPhail that
He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false.

Too bad you've never once demonstrated any of my posts false! Too bad you never supply any data!! Too bad you base all your outlandish claims on questionable anecdotes!!!

Tell you what; I'll post the data again here, and you can take a shot at DEMONSTRATING that it's false. Not hinting that it might be false, but actually fulfilling your claim and DEMONSTRATING that it's false. Go for it, dude!!!

After all, YOU are the guy who said:







Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.







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dIppyjoe's citations of questionable data about Australia in NO WAY demonstrates ANYTHING wrong with the data above.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Ceinwyn It must be true. Not only does the napkin declare it but three friends all peer reviewed it and agree that it is true. Might as well fold the tent now. Three peers in a study.
@hippyjoe1955 YOU are the guy who said:


And YOU are the guy who said:

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revenant · F
Why should not it be true ? I got forced to take astrazeneca for international air travel. Astrazeneca got pulled because of blood clots incidences.
I ended spending almost a week in hospital because of a blood clot. What a coincidence !
revenant · F
@ElwoodBlues I know you will absolutely twist everything just to try to prove a point which goes towards your political agenda.
I am concerned with the truth.
@revenant So you're saying my quote is false? you're saying other vaccines are perfectly safe and have zero negative outcomes and zero side effects?? YOU know you are talking BS.
Wiseacre · F
@ElwoodBlues there isn't one medicine on earth that's 100%safe...and doc's would tell u the same thing
The thing is, athletes died suddenly BEFORE the vaccine too! Here's a comparison of a cohort of athletes before and after vaccine deployment.

This article, "FIFA Sudden Death Registry (FIFA-SDR): a prospective, observational study of sudden death in worldwide football from 2014 to 2018"
says 617 FIFA players died of SCD within an hour of playing over a 5 year period = 123 per year (2014-2018).
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/2/80

And this article says about 108 died in 2021 - a reduction in the FIFA death rate after vaccination!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-list-of-108-fifa-soccer-players-is-not-proof-of-a-common-link-between-covid-19-vaccines-and-athlete-deaths-idUSL1N2T81NY

Note: I'm making no statistical claims about the drop in FIFA deaths during the 2021 vaccination year; merely pointing out how wrong the anti-vaxxers got it.
@hippyjoe1955 says
The facts are evident on the face.
And here are the facts; the proved the vaccines were HIGHLY effective.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

Details and sources at https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Not BS. I can't substantiate those numbers but in my circle of friends and family there have been 4 deaths due to the vaxes according to the dead people's own doctor.
@ElwoodBlues I would guess you think this is all bullshit, too. Right?

@PhoenixPhail I'm dealing with the set of facts about Covid deaths. You seem to want to divert from those facts. Sorry, no dice.

Here's my response when people say other causes of death were misclassified as Covid deaths.

Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@PhoenixPhail You have to realize that @ElwoodBlues is more than a useful idiot. He is a true believer in the evils being perpetuated by his socialist masters. He loves to throw up junk data that is demonstrably false. If only he would compare the death rates among the nations with a high vax rate and a low vax rate and realize the death rate among the vaxed nations is much higher than the low vaxed nations.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
today is Pi day, let us celebrate the advances in human life afforded through following the scientific method. Where have "we" gone wrong? We allow anti-scientific misinformation become so common that after a while, even scientists begin to doubt their own reality. Repetition of non facts do not make them facts!
Wiseacre · F
@samueltyler2 Right...u can thank Trump for that, he started misinformation/disinformation, and ppl accepted it. "The media is the enemy".
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
1149 Athletes Have Died Suddenly Since The COVID Vaccine was Deployed

It might well be true. But: How many athletes die suddenly in normal times? Without knowledge of the background level the quoted statement doesn't even imply correlation let alone causation.
@ninalanyon Here's a stab at a fair comparison of athlete deaths before and after vaccination.

This article, "FIFA Sudden Death Registry (FIFA-SDR): a prospective, observational study of sudden death in worldwide football from 2014 to 2018"
says 617 FIFA players died of SCD within an hour of playing over a 5 year period = 123 per year (2014-2018).
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/2/80

And this article says about 108 died in 2021 - a reduction in the FIFA death rate after vaccination!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-list-of-108-fifa-soccer-players-is-not-proof-of-a-common-link-between-covid-19-vaccines-and-athlete-deaths-idUSL1N2T81NY

Note: I'm making no statistical claims about the drop in FIFA deaths during the 2021 vaccination year; merely pointing out how wrong the anti-vaxxers got it.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ArishMell I was lucky, I think, to go to school when and where I did. We were not merely encouraged to think but expected to. And this did not apply just to those who were the most academic. But when I got to university I discovered that even in those times such schools were relatively rare although I think much more usual than it seems today.

But I was heartened to see the student protests about nitpicking uniform rules and ridiculous toilet rules in the UK recently, perhaps there is hope after all.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon I am not sure my schools taught thinking more than simply remembering facts for examinations, but the English lessons' exercises certainly did include "Comprehension" as well as just picking out obvious facts from the text. I think the History was supposed to help us understand why things happened, not just that they did.

Some of the Maths syllabus relied on logical deduction rather than applying algebra and arithmetic, especially Euclidean Geometry which was entirely qualitative, not at all numerical.

I don't know the specific protests you mean but I think a lot of that sort of stuff is stirred up by parents encouraging their little brats, sorry, darlings, to think themselves above any authority, rules or regulations.
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
Thats a strange word. I had to look it up.
Wiseacre · F
@GuyWithOpinions not uncommon!
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
@Wiseacre i live under a rock lol
Zonuss · 46-50, M
That's part of the business.
Wiseacre · F
Bullshit business @Zonuss
Zonuss · 46-50, M
Make no mistake about it
The vaccination was a scam.
And now the truth is coming out and some people just cannot handle it.
☺️
Wiseacre · F
No idea..i’m Not vaxxed. Just heard a doctor today speak about the success of covid vaxxes.@Zonuss
So, you think the documentary, "Died Suddenly," is just a bunch of made up bullshit?

https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
@Wiseacre Then you're lucky.
Wiseacre · F
@PhoenixPhail I'm not vaxxed
@PhoenixPhail I think it's cherry picking.

 
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