Ever since the Covid 19 pandemic happened

@ArishMell Such negativity. That's all we need here. 🙄 He didn't say that God deemed him more important than anyone else.

@ArishMell There are two main philosophies at play. One philosophy says that humans were created and are able to withstand viruses encountering them makes you stronger. The other believes that humans are frail and need all kinds of interventions in order to survive. Sadly the interventions are often more dangerous than the illness as we can see with the covid vaxes. Given that the vaxes were never tested for either safety or efficacy and were only approved because the government 'panicked' (snicker). Yeah those jabs are a bioweapon designed to reduce population. The city folk in the west fell for the scam because they have been conditioned to take vaxes for every and any 'disease' no matter how trivial. Of course no one cared about those vaxes because although they can not be shown to work (thus the trope of reduced illness) they did not prove to be fatal. Once the conditioning was complete enough introducing a silly illness and a killer vax to prevent it.... Guess who was foolish enough to take that poison?

@hippyjoe1955 Pathogens don't make humans stronger; but some are already strong enough to fight them off and for their immune systems to recognise them in future.

The bleak interpretation of potentially fatal diseases in any plant or animal is that of natural population control, but that is not one likely to appeal to most of us.

Instead, they might kill many people, and some are extremely effective at killing many people very rapidly; but those victims who survive usually develop at least some immunity to later infections.

With Covid we were face suddenly with a rampant disease new to us. It was one that killed many people and laid many others low with strange long-term effects; but even among those only lightly affected it spread so rapidly and easily that it alone caused social and economic havoc generally.

So did the lock-downs etc. No-one liked them but at least the controls were the lesser of the two evils. We could not simply have stood back, bought a box of tissues and let the disease pass, overloading the hospitals and undertakers; while hoping it would not let us individually "pass".

Whether individual countries' governments around the world, most of whom acted in broadly similar ways, always took the right decisions is another matter. They had to rush things, they did make mistakes: but would you or I have done it all perfectly? I would not think so.

True, the vaccines were tested but not as fully as normal; but at least the risk of being killed by any of them was and still is extremely low; far, far lower than being killed by the disease. If any of the vaccines were that dangerous, people would be dropping like flies all over the place - and they clearly are not. More likely, the scare about that arises from false correlations: co-incidences read as causes.

There was never any scam or conspiracy: those are slurs spread by wilful anti-vaccination (so pro-pandemic?) campaigners using all the tricks in the publicists' trade to convince people to believe their claims. Why they do it, I do not know. I am not sure if they do either, but the disease was heavily and shamelessly exploited for party-political reasons in some countries.


Strange I have had 2 primary and I think now 2 booster, Covid vaccinations - the last plus ones for pneumonia, 'flu and shingles all within a few days - and I am still here.

I have no idea if I have been infected. If I have, it was only very mild or non-symptomatic. The two tests I took were negative. "Poison"? No - I don't believe that at all.

@ArishMell Actually exposure to diseases while young does improve your immune system. Actually we could have stood by and let doctors use known effective treatments. You don't treat lung infection with a ventilator. You used steroids. You use safe and effective drugs like Ivermectin and HCQ among others. You NEVER try to vax in the middle of a pandemic. All that does is drive variants that your vax is not effective against. thing drug resistant strains such as MRSA just as an example. Finally you NEVER use a new technology without many many years of testing and trials on animals then humans. As for the lockdowns and the masking. They simply don't work as advertised, People still have to eat and thus need to go out in public to get food and masks are a net spreader of airborne viruses not a preventative measure. Every where masks were mandated the infection rate went up two weeks after the mandate came into effect. Amazing how people drank the koolaid as they blamed everyone who disagreed with them of ignoring the science as they were the only ones denying the science. We know all those measures were ineffective because of past experience. Now we have jabbed millions with a known heart toxin and are causing the body to continue to make such toxins for some time into the future. A cardiologist said that he believes that everyone who got the jab has heart damage as a result. It is only a matter of time. Personally I know 4 people who were killed by the jab withing hours or days of getting the jab. The leading cause of death here in AB is "unknown causes". Unknown causes used to be the lowest cause of death until the jabs were mandated. What happened? NOTHING the government health officials did or mandated helped fight this disease. 100% failure. They need to be fired for incompetence and charged with genocide.

@hippyjoe1955 The immune system responds to threat, but it does seem to need to recognise the individual ones.

I agree it was a hell of a gamble rushing out vaccines a lot more rapidly than normal; but what else could they have done?

The mask rules came in as the infection rates were rising, but the primary precaution was the state of semi-quarantine that were the lock-downs. An unexpected sequel in the UK at least is a raised incidence of Influenza and other respiratory illnesses compared to last year because we were not mixing anything like as much then.

I am sorry for your losses; but "genocide" is a very a serious offence of wilful mass-murder of en entire community, and it does not match what has happened.

@hippyjoe1955 So much bullshit, you know absolutely nothing and you are going to get someone killed.

That's literally what ventilators are for.

Unless of course you want the pandemic to end.

That's not how vaccines work. Not even remotely.

Yes, but a highly limited amount of contact still curtails person to person disease spread.

This is a complete lie.

I'm sure, as always, you will refuse to provide any evidence for this outrageous claim.

No we didn't.

And did this "cardiologist" offer anything to actually back up that ridiculous opinion?

You do not.

https://fullfact.org/health/unknown-causes-not-linked-covid-vaccines/

Deaths in Canada were soaring well before a single vaccine was even given.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9424127/

As this shows, excess deaths were rising from the beginning of February, and started really spiking around late October to early November, but the first people to be vaccinated in Canada didn't get their shots until mid-December.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/v-day-first-covid-19-vaccines-administered-in-canada-1.5230184

@OggggO So all you have shown me is that you never listen to medical professionals. Those are not my ideas. They are the statements of experts in their field. You can run along now. You just made a complete goof of yourself.

@hippyjoe1955 Of course, you've got nothing, as usual.

@OggggO Tell that to the medical professionals. Your argument is with them not me. I just posted what they said. You don't like the truth and that is fine. You can get injected every month if you want. I won't stop you. I might warn you but I would never stop you. One less troll won't bother me at all.

@hippyjoe1955 Every medical professional I've seen that isn't completely insane says we need to be taking COVID more seriously, not whatever crap you're spouting. Stop trying to claim authority that doesn't exist.

@OggggO then you are asking the wrong folks. Your team has killed a lot of people with their silly policies. Kind of sad that you hold them in high esteem. I think they are criminally responsible for the deaths they have caused.

@hippyjoe1955 https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2022/12/20/immune-systems-seriously-weakened-by-covid.html

Just, learn something, for once, learn just one little thing. I'm begging you.

@OggggO Yawn. Do you have anything intelligent to add to this discussion because so far all you spew is nonsense.

@hippyjoe1955 And you accuse *me* of ignoring evidence?!

@OggggO You haven't provided any evidence. You have provided propaganda that doesn't match reality. Nice try though. Carry on with your delusions. Tell you what you can have my jab too. You are up to date on your jabs aren't you? Be terrible thing if you weren't living by your own standards.

@hippyjoe1955 I am up to date, because unlike you, I'm not a rampaging hypocrite. Exceptionally poor try at a gotcha.

Regardless, is the American Medical Association not healthcare professionals, or are they propganda, or what? What is your excuse going to be this time?
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-wismed-oppose-ivermectin-court-ordered-treatment-covid

@OggggO And I had a mild cold 14 months ago. I was told it was covid. I am immune while all my vaxed buddies are busy getting sick over and over and over again. So tell me about your science. Does it have a big red nose and oversized shoes?

@hippyjoe1955 Even assuming I believed your story, your sample size would be pathetically small.

@OggggO The fact is that the only people who are still getting sick from the virus are the ones already jabbed. I posted a graph a few days ago based on 50,000 health care workers in the USA. The more jabs they had the more likely they were to be sick. Those who had 5 jabs were much worse off than those who were unjabbed. Sometimes a small sample is indicative of a bigger trend.

@hippyjoe1955 Sure you did.

@OggggO Go back and look. I am not going to post it again. You snoozed you loozed. What a LOOZER you are. Too funny. The problem with your science is the simple fact that none of the unjabbed are dying. In fact the vast majority of the population has realized they were conned and are not getting updates on their jabs. The smart ones never got jabbed in the first place.

@hippyjoe1955 Yet another lie.

@OggggO Nope simple fact. The unjabbed have a much lower death rate than the jabbed. But you keep getting yours. Don't let me stop you on your Fauci induced mission. Tell you what son since it is Christmas you can have all of my vaxes too! Hate to see them go to waste when there are people gullible enough to use them.

@hippyjoe1955 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/

@OggggO You cite anything from scientific america? Wow. You need to up your game son. The world has passed you by and you are not even aware of it. No one reads scientific america who is serious about science.