Do u believe that the Covid-19 vaccination is a waste of time ? 😷

@CestManan it’s weird how judgmental people have become.

@CestManan 🤔

@CestManan The biggest problem with the vaccine is that people refuse to get the vaccine to protect themselves, their families, and those around them. It is safe and effective, and we have enough information now to know that with certainty. There is no good or scientific reason not to be vaccinated, unless you have a medical condition that prevents being vaccinated (there are a small number of people who fall into that group).

@windinhishair They do not know the long term effects. That is why some are concerned.

They "Say" it is safe and effective but what happens if they drop the ball? Of course in the near future if people have serious complications, they will never admit, "something went wrong with the vaccine".

But anyways that is the concern.

@CestManan What are the long term effects of being dead due to not being vaccinated?

@CestManan I get the concern. You can never say never, but the construction of the vaccines makes the likelihood of long-term complications vanishingly small. If there were going to be long-term impacts, they would almost certainly be seen in the first few months of vaccine trials.

The real issue is relative risk. Covid has killed about one in every 537 people in the US already, and the death rate is accelerating. Add to that the long-term covid impacts that people are experiencing, and the risk of remaining unvaccinated [b]FAR[/b] exceeds the risk of vaccination. And that assumes no future increase in mortality due to new variants. This is precisely what occured with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1919, where a later variant was the most deadly. Every day we continue to have large numbers of unvaccinated, we risk a more deadly and more transmissive variant.

@CestManan with random sex, I don't need to sleep with the person. That's their business. With driving like a maniac on the interstate, that is a risk. Hence why we have laws against it.

When you put others at risk, it becomes a public problem.

@Entwistle Most people survive covid.

If someone goes out and get vaccinated, they are taking an experimental medication for a disease they may or may not catch to begin with.

I have no problems with someone else getting covid vaccine, their body, their choice (pardon the cliche) but I do not need someone else deciding if *I* should get one.

There is talk about keeping each other safe. No one felt that way before though, as evidenced by crazy drivers, indiscriminate sex partners, or any of the other "me first" things people do.

@Fairydust it’s also weird how ignorant people have chosen to be.

It’s called willful ignorance and it’s weakening the US by the day.

@CestManan Full approval of at least one of the two most popular vaccines in the US--Pfizer and Moderna--is expected in the next week or so. Better get the next excuse ready.

@Fairydust Whether or not someone gets a vaccine has no bearing on my opinion or choice to interact with them.

When I am around someone, the last thing I think about is covid.

@JoeyFoxx I get that! It’s terrible, what I don’t get is the huge amount of numbers that have died from say cancer or a heart attack etc and they put Covid down as the death, because they had it at the time. Are the numbers even correct?

@CestManan what vaccine has ever had long term complications? That is not how it works.
But covid could/ will have long term effects on people with a severe case.

@Fairydust The numbers appear to be slightly [b]underestimated[/b] based on the aggregate causes of death from other causes. Cancer or heart attack deaths are not being attributed to covid and never have been. Comorbidities do not mean they didn't die from covid.

@Fairydust all you have to do is look at the uptick in worldwide death rates since late 2019 to know that COVID is a real thing.

Co-morbidities do not make the numbers any less compelling.

It begs the question tho: if someone has an underlying health condition, should we just let that person get exposed and try their luck? At what point do we stop caring about our neighbors?

@CestManan maybe it's not humanity but then again there are laws in place for wreckless drivers. That's a police job. Not sure of your sources, if it's a political party I would take that info with a grain of salt. Of the billions that have taken the vaccine it can't be that many that had such an adverse reaction that it killed them. Some people are going to have a metabolism that rejects the vax extremely. I haven't heard of anyone dying from the vaccination, but have heard the side effects were severe to some.
If doing this one thing, taking the vaccination, could have a potentially life saving good for the population of earth you still don't care? Of we reach heard immunity level the earth is saved you would feel bad to say you did your part? Ok I'm guilty tripping a tad. But it seems the good pout weighs the bad. We can't ask dead people their preference. But I'm guessing out of the 600k dead Americans a lot would take the chance of they had do overs. Just my humble opinion. Thx for reading.

@windinhishair actually the opposite is true ... deaths are being recorded as covid if your positive to it so that the instutations get federal government to reimburse you

@windinhishair if you say so ... it's still MY choice NOT yours

@pdockal You can choose to ignore sound science AND observable impacts of an extremely successful vaccine, but you are not excused from consequences. If there are places you can't go or things you can't do, that is your choice.

Non-covid deaths are not being recorded as covid. You have no understanding of how they are counted.

@windinhishair Long term might matter more than short term affect of the vax.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

@KYLakeDiver Long-term effects almost never show up unexpectedly if there was no indication during the first few months of mass vaccinations. Sorry, but I'm not into believing a supposedly "scientific" source saying this is a battle between Our Lord and the devil.

@windinhishair wrong, thats why mrna has been a failed path in the past. Long term trials failed.

@KYLakeDiver Unfortunately for you, this vaccine works extremely well with very few side effects, and no evidence of potential long-term effects. Nice try though.

@windinhishair You are still wrong and evidently not good at reading comprehension.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

@KYLakeDiver Using an untrustworthy source that believes covid is a battle between Our Lord and the devil is the furthest from science you can get. Still, nice try. Do you have a source based on science? Billions of vaccinations done successfully with very few side effects paint a different picture than Our Lord and the Devil.