Do u believe that the Covid-19 vaccination is a waste of time ? 😷

@PrivateHell What is the scientific nature of her objection to vaccination? There have been more than 346,000,000 vaccines so far, with few deaths, yet over 614,000 people have died of covid with an accelerating number happening every day.

Medical facilities and private businesses have an absolute right to require employee vaccination as a condition of employment. As the pandemic of the unvaccinated continues, more will justifiably do so.

@windinhishair what are her scientific objections? Well, first of all, unlike you and many many others arguing and fighting over the validity of the vaccine, she is out there on the front lines, directly dealing with the virus every single day. Not just regurgitating talking points from news stories she hears.

Secondly, though the numbers are indeed greater for the unvaccinated, the number of Covid deaths for those whom have been vaccinated is still too high to be called "rare". Plus, we have been in five different states since the pandemic was declared over a year and a half ago, and she says the official records are not matching up to the reality her and her colleagues are seeing. In fact, she often states that what we are getting from the news is far more politics than it is science or medicine.

Third, there are no long term studies on what these vaccines will do to those who receive them. There is a reason why they are now reporting that people may be required to get boosters every six months. Because the studies couldn't even predict (even without mutations and variants) how long the vaccine would be effective normally. For all we know, the population could be facing a crash of rare cancers five or ten years from now.

Like her, I have no issue with anyone that voluntarily gets the vaccine. It's their right to do so if they wish. But, no one has the authority or right to force me to take it if I do not want it. And playing games with people's lives (banning them from work or groceries) just so you have the illusion of safety, is just monstrous and evil. Period.

@PrivateHell I have more than a few close relatives who work in the medical field, including in Texas, where the unvaccinated pandemic is exploding. They risk their lives every day because of the selfishness of those who choose not to take a safe and effective vaccine. So I do have first hand information about what is going on.

Yes, the number of covid deaths is higher than the death rate from vaccination. FAR higher. You can use words to make it seem otherwise, but the number of vaccination deaths is not significant compared to the number of covid deaths.

As I mentioned elsewhere, due to the mechanism of vaccination and eight months of actual vaccinations, plus clinical trials, the likelihood of long term vaccination impacts is very small. The long-term problem we already know exists is with sub-lethal covid cases. Many people have long-term issues and we don't know how long those will last, or whether they will permanently disable many people.

You cannot be forced to get the vaccine unless required by your employer as a condition of employment, as they have the right to do. You do not have the right to remain unvaccinated without consequence either, if you jeopardize other people's lives as well. So if you can't shop in the grocery store or go to the mall, then you'll just have to get a friend to do it for you. Oh well.

@windinhishair do you not hear the propaganda and double speak in your replies here? Dear God, it's so blatant and obvious, I can't imagine it not being intentional.

As I said before, Covid is a daily discussion and reality in my household, because my wife works with it daily. Not some relative I call once a month or even once a week. She is out there risking her life as well as the lives of me and my son, since she could easily bring it home to us.

If anyone is playing with the numbers here, it is you and those who hold similar opinions. Re-read what I said... The number of deaths for unvaccinated are [i]higher[/i] than those for the vaccinated. There is no argument there. Where the argument lies, is when people try to claim or make it sound as though the deaths of vaccinated people are rare. They are not.

Since we're on numbers, one other false flag your side always tries to use in your scare tactics... Covid-19 is not even close to a death sentence. When you look at the total number of infections (that is, if you can actually believe the figures) and then compare it to the number of deaths (again, assuming the figures are close to accurate), you find that the overwhelming majority of infected survive the infection.

Here is the massive whole in your logic... If someone has mumps or chickenpox, they present zero danger to me catching their illness. Because I am vaccinated and the vaccines have been proven and tested over time to work. Yet, you are arguing I am still a danger to Covid vaccinated people by being unvaccinated myself. That alone should call into question how effective the vaccine is.

I wear masks and take precautions to try and minimize my risk and exposure. My home is sanitized regularly and the whole family is addicted to washing our hands and using Purell. I do not require or desire the government or business babysitting me or forcing me to comply with their wishes to keep my family safe.

What's next? Granting Wal-mart the power to ban anyone under five foot from shopping there? Or maybe giving McDonalds the power to refuse people with blue eyes from eating their food?

@PrivateHell Since my daughter is an MD, my covid discussions are daily as well. Don't think you have a monopoly on experience or reality. You don't.

Your hypocrisy is palpable. If covid deaths among the vaccinated are not rare, and you are unvaccinated and risk spreading the virus, you ARE by definition posing a risk to others. You may not like to think about it, but it doesn't lessen the reality.

Yes, most people survive covid, but a huge number have already died, and more are dying daily. More than all US deaths in WWII. More than our dead in the Civil War. More than in any pandemic in the past century. Covid resulted in a decrease in US life expectancy last year of 1.37 years. You may think that it isn't a big problem and to point out these facts is scare tactics. I will stick to facts. You can stick to something else.

Wal-Mart has the right to let anyone in their stores they wish, or keep people out. So does McDonalds. Since the pandemic is being continued by the unvaccinated, they will just have to suffer the consequences of their decisions, whatever those turn out to be. I have no sympathy for those who willingly risk the health of others.

@windinhishair you and I just going to have to agree to disagree on this. You have no control or right to force me to inject an unproven foreign substance into my body if I choose not to, whether you wish it so or not.

So, you have no sympathy for those who willingly endanger the health of others... Interesting. Since that is precisely what you are calling for. You have no way of knowing what the long term effects are or can be, and since there was no time for the studies to be conducted, anyone claiming they do is a liar. Plain and simple.

Not that you opinion of those you feel are endangering the public matters to me. Nor my opinions matter to you. But I have no sympathy for those who surrender their own rights to life and then demand others do the same. When the day comes where companies and the government have the power and authority to micromanage any aspect of your daily life, and you are asking "what happened?" I want you to remember your stance on this issue.

@PrivateHell Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.

No one wants to force you to get a vaccine. But you don't have the right to refuse without any potential consequences to your actions, which is what you want. Life doesn't work that way. You make a choice--get the vaccine or not. If you don't, and there are consequences to your actions, that is a choice you made as well. This is not an issue about surrendering your rights. It is your conscious choice to choose a particular path.

I will continue to make the best choices possible based on science and medical professionals. You can choose whatever sources you want for your information.

@Stereoguy You both made a good decision. Congratulations.

@PrivateHell Can you document this surprising fact?

@windinhishair see, here in lies the problem you are having here, and I see this all the time from people on a variety of issues (not just the vaccine). You don't know me at all, and therefore you are not qualified to tell me who I am or what I want.

If you truly did know me, you would be completely embarrassed by your statement about me not wanting to face consequences. You have no idea what ridiculous hyperbole that statement truly is. I have lived my entire life owning up to consequences most people would run from or try to pass on to others. I am not trying to avoid any now. Merely demanding I be given the same rights anyone else should be given... The right to choose to face these consequences through my own decisions and actions.

Your rights as a person end where mine begin, and vice versa. You have every right to live your life as you choose, so long as it does not take away or interfere with others right to do the same. My not taking the vaccine [i]may[/i] put others at risk, granted. But your insistence that I take it [i]does[/i] violate my person. See the difference? You are willfully demanding that my rights are certainly violated just in case your right may be someday.

Remember the words of Ben Franklin... "A person who would trade a little freedom for a little security shall have neither."

Have a great day.

@Cabernetfranc Which "surprising fact", and what sort of documentation would be both legal and acceptable to you? Funny how I never seem to hear anyone ask this same question of their favorite news sources. They just believe whatever they are told by them, then want "proof" from anything that disagrees with their echo chamber.

@PrivateHell I am in agreement with you, as you see in my statement

[quote]You make a choice--get the vaccine or not. If you don't, and there are consequences to your actions, that is a choice you made as well. This is not an issue about surrendering your rights. It is your conscious choice to choose a particular path.[/quote]

So we are apparently in agreement. Your rights aren't being taken away. You have the right to choose, and you make your choice, knowing the consequences. That's what you want, and that's what you will have. If it inconveniences you, that's your choice.

@windinhishair when it "inconveniences" a person to the point they can no longer sustain their own life through employment or shopping for necessities, that is neither freedom, nor a choice. This is the equivalent of me saying you are free to rape, murder and rob at will. If you do you will go to prison or be executed, but you still have the choice and freedom to do so.

@PrivateHell You clearly want your decisions to have no consequences. If your decisions are contrary to your employer, they have the right to terminate your employment. No one is inconveniencing you to the point where you can no longer sustain your life. If grocery stores decide they don't want to function as mass spreaders of a preventable pandemic, that is their right. And you can get someone who is vaccinated to get your groceries. It isn't a life and death situation.

Decision have consequences. So do yours, and they will continue to.

Oh, and people do rape, murder, and rob. And there are consequences to their actions.

@windinhishair again, you have no idea what I want, and aren't qualified for the conclusions you are drawing. If I get Covid, even after the precautions I already take, then so be it. I will handle it when it happens. Those are the consequences of my actions. Period. End of story.

Someone else deciding I have to inject myself, or I don't get to eat are not consequences of my actions. They are decisions being made on my behalf without right or consent.

@PrivateHell So you would stop eating if your favorite grocery store restricts access to only the vaccinated, as they have the right to do? Fascinating.

No one is deciding you must be vaccinated or can't eat, only that you may have consequences you don't like as a result of your actions. That's the way the world works. Sorry. Have someone else shop for you if that happens. Is it inconvenient? Yes. But that's the decision you made with full knowledge and acceptance. Period. End of story.

@windinhishair and if I have no one else to shop for me? Why does your illusion of safety (and yes, that is exactly what it is) take precedence over my right to live as I choose?

I can't help but wonder how so many will react in the future, when the epidemic of new cancers begins ravaging the land? Will they accept the consequences for being injected? Or will they attempt to sue Pharma and the government? Interesting.

@PrivateHell You choose to live life without consequences. The world doesn't and has never been that way. You are free to choose, and your choice will have consequences either way, just as mine does.

When did you receive your degree in epidemiology? What type of cancers are coming? How will they form? What is the source of your inside information? Please share it with the world.

@windinhishair you keep trying to dictate to me who I supposedly am and what I choose. Lol. I guess in this day and age people can't help themselves. My life is all about consequences and facing them, in ways you will never know or understand. But go ahead, tell me what I want and think. I am done trying here.

As to the coming cancer epidemic, I was speaking hypothetically, but it certainly isn't all that far fetched. As stated before, there hasn't been any time for long term studies on potential effects. Even the immediate side effects have already proven to be more common and severe than they initially thought they would be. (Yes, they are still rare. But have occurred more often than estimated,)

@PrivateHell You keep saying that you are always facing consequences, then balk at facing consequences. But we can keep going on and on about facing the consequences of not being vaccinated. You'll just have to deal with it. That's life.

If your hypothetical isn't "all that far fetched", please provide examples of vaccines that caused significant cancers, as you hypothesize. If it is plausible, you should be able to find a few examples.

Rare side effects compared to a death rate that is already one in every 537 Americans and rising isn't significant.

@PrivateHell I raise your RN with my BIL pathologist and his epidemiologist colleagues who say hooey to that superficial, unscientific, and anecdotal analysis.

Objective research has deaths to Covid down considerably in vaccinated areas. The increases and breakthroughs came from unvaccinated folks who gave Covid a chance to mutate.

This is BASIC biology. 7th grade stuff ( thank you Mrs Slimane!)

@Neoerectus it isn't a game. Nor it is a ppolitical bargaining chip. All I know is what my wife has seen first hand as we travel the US dealing directly with the the illness. Choose to believe whomever or whatever you wish. I honestly do not care. Just do not even think you can force me into complying with your wishes.

@PrivateHell its a nursing home vaccines protect peopel form covid not old age