Do You Think The Coronavirus was Created and Released on Purpose?

@Abstraction Why believe science and trust the scientific method when you can read a random comic book on the Internet?

@MarkPaul Good point!

@Abstraction But patient zero was a scientist at the Wuhan Lab.
And 'experts' are often paid $$ to profess a certain story line.
The media seeks out people to promote the ideas they want to circulate.
Just look at all the climate change scientists that have said climate change is a hoax and died prematurely. Look at the people that have challenged the status quo on CV19 and been fired from tv. Even Fauci......'the infectious disease expert' has held his position for 30 years. Sorry, but if the doctor has been a government employee for 30 years, you are not a doctor anymore, you are a bureaucrat.

@MarkPaul No two authorities ever seem top agree on any detail regarding the virus- other than it is a virus. And the newscasts report all of it. I will stick with what I know from my limited medical training and ignore the stuff that I know is impossible no matter who reports it.
What makes me so suspicious is that this is the first time there has been so much "to-and'fro" regarding the real identity of the virus considering that we have much better technology than with previous pandemic scares such as Swine flu. They should know more, not less- unless they are deliberately trying to keep something hidden and No matter whose virus, this would mean that the USA is still complicit because they are the most responsible for the conflicting reports concerning the virus. The US's Government does not have clean hands in this no matter how it unfolds.

@DallasCowboysFan

'experts' are often paid $$ to profess a certain story line.

That is purely Capitalist thinking- China is not Capitalist. Money doesn't quite work the same in Socialist nations as it does in Capitalist ones.

But that is EXACTLY how Big Pharma operates.

@DallasCowboysFan Well, the fact is they don't know who patient zero is. I'm not into conspiracy theories, sorry. Real evidence is necessary, not just plausibility. Investigative journalists are usually the ones who unearth these things, and they do it properly. Real journalists, I mean, not just rag writers. They publish evidence, not ambit claims, hearsay and speculations.

@Abstraction And they wouldn't lie if payed well by a multi-billion dollar medical research company like Big Pharma to do so?

@Anonymartyr Some scientists do, no doubt. Usually they are employed by the industry concerned - petrochemical or drug companies. Tobacco companies in the past.

But not the majority. If you try to offer many scientists big money to falsify, someone will blow the whistle. Hey, this company wants me to publish false claims. Conspiracies that big fall apart.

So let's work this out: big pharma don't have a cure for coronavirus, so why would they bribe about it's origins in China? It doesn't make any difference as long as they come up with the vaccine. They're not even making money right now - if they want to make money they have to spend money right now. Did you know that virtually every vaccination ever made was created by government run labs, because big pharma won't spend the development money on it? Big pharma aren't going to bribe scientists on coronavirus right now, they aren't making money. Why would they pay someone to say it came from a chinese lab? That doesn't help their profits.

Who would pay for a conspiracy about the cause of the corona virus? No-one except the Chinese government - if it really did come from their lab. So in your proposition Chinese spies have been secretly approaching all the immunologists around the world (ok, who is next on our list), and not one of them has said, no and blown the whistle? I find that hard to believe.

@Abstraction Who says thy have no vaccine? We only know that they have told us there is not.

Homeless Survival Rule #1:
Never ever ever trust anyone who is not struggling for food or shelter, Any of them can help but nobody does more than play at helping the poor, for vanity's sake.
The more money- the more criminal.

@Anonymartyr I agree with your homeless survival rule - never been homeless, don't pretend to know what it's really like, but my grandfather was - and only the the poor helped him. The wealthy gave him lectures. And I've worked with homeless or the world's poorest all my life.

But they don't have the vaccine because if you're the only one with the vaccine now you make billions. You wouldn't risk others developing another vaccine.

@Abstraction The wealthy throw small change but the other poor will share half their meal or half their "pannings" with you.. There is no appreciable difference between a rich person and a drug addict. (I came from a wealthy family).

Homeless survival rule #2:

Middle income is a lie. Poor are those who are unable to meet there basic needs of food, shelter and family (Maslo's Hierarchy of needs ), rich is everybody else. it is impossible to claim a "middle income" unless a maximum income is established.
If what the poor get is enough, then it is enough for everyone, If it is not enough for the poor it is not enough for the poor either.

@Anonymartyr I'm with you man. I work in overseas aid - working with the world's poorest. That's a story of the same inequality created by international exploitation. The psycho social effects of poverty the poor are the same in a poor country like South Sudan or in the homeless on the streets of Seattle: loss of dignity and a sense of powerlessness.