They need to self isolate so they do not pass the virus on to those that may have lesser immune systems.
Additionally, some who are asymptomatic NOW, will become symptomatic in the very near future.
These are highly skilled workers, they cannot be replaced by just anybody off the street.
So while the positive employees are self quarantining for 14 days, they close the plant for a deep cleaning and update some PPE (IE : plastic screens between work stations). At the 15 day point they should have either become ill (and possibly hospitalized) or they should test negative and have antibodies... Then back to work...
Additionally, some who are asymptomatic NOW, will become symptomatic in the very near future.
These are highly skilled workers, they cannot be replaced by just anybody off the street.
So while the positive employees are self quarantining for 14 days, they close the plant for a deep cleaning and update some PPE (IE : plastic screens between work stations). At the 15 day point they should have either become ill (and possibly hospitalized) or they should test negative and have antibodies... Then back to work...
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@Echoing Simply ask yourself why other "lesser" countries have been able to keep this illness from spreading throughout their populations.
IMO... the answer is 3-fold. TESTING, TESTING, TESTING...they catch the + earlier and isolate them BEFORE they unknowingly infect their relatives and neighbors. QUARANTINING... they quarantine those coming in for 14 days. CONTACT TRACING.. knowing when you have come into contact with a person testing +.
Of these... it is testing that we failed early and repeatedly at. To date, less than 1% of my state has been tested. And we start opening up today, when yesterday we recorded the highest number of new + cases in any day. Makes you wonder....
Yes people die from all kinds of things. But if you get a yearly flu shot, a periodic PREVNAR-13, and don't drive.... Your statistical chances of dying from one of those causes are greatly diminished. CHOICES...
Yes, as a business owner myself, I wholeheartedly agree with you that some businesses will never return to "normal." Curbside pick-up has become just an unfortunate fact of life.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not a fan of any of these "precautionary measures / lockdowns." But given the fact that there are so many that could potentially kill me by simply sneezing in my presence... I prefer to follow the advice of the scientific community until such time as there is a proven vaccine.
IMO... the answer is 3-fold. TESTING, TESTING, TESTING...they catch the + earlier and isolate them BEFORE they unknowingly infect their relatives and neighbors. QUARANTINING... they quarantine those coming in for 14 days. CONTACT TRACING.. knowing when you have come into contact with a person testing +.
Of these... it is testing that we failed early and repeatedly at. To date, less than 1% of my state has been tested. And we start opening up today, when yesterday we recorded the highest number of new + cases in any day. Makes you wonder....
Yes people die from all kinds of things. But if you get a yearly flu shot, a periodic PREVNAR-13, and don't drive.... Your statistical chances of dying from one of those causes are greatly diminished. CHOICES...
Yes, as a business owner myself, I wholeheartedly agree with you that some businesses will never return to "normal." Curbside pick-up has become just an unfortunate fact of life.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not a fan of any of these "precautionary measures / lockdowns." But given the fact that there are so many that could potentially kill me by simply sneezing in my presence... I prefer to follow the advice of the scientific community until such time as there is a proven vaccine.
@Echoing My friends in the medical world tell me that there are several in testing that show real promise.
Having worked in the medical research field at one time I can tell you that $$$ drives everything … and there is a ton of money to be made by the company that gets there first...
Knowing that, I remain optimistic that the vaccine will happen sooner than later...
Having worked in the medical research field at one time I can tell you that $$$ drives everything … and there is a ton of money to be made by the company that gets there first...
Knowing that, I remain optimistic that the vaccine will happen sooner than later...
4meAndyou · F
Cherokeepatti mentioned something very interesting in a post a couple of days ago. She said that Smithfield meat packing, (ham, bacon, lots of other brand names like Margherita and Carando), is owned by China. 32% of our farmland is owned by China.
President Trump said in a town hall on television last night that he wants all of our meat packing plants to re-open...after cleaning and implementing safety procedures...but Smithfield has refused a Presidential order.
It should be noted that you can test and receive a false positive quite frequently with the newer and faster antibody tests. The CDC recommends testing a second time to eliminate the possibility of a false positive.
President Trump said in a town hall on television last night that he wants all of our meat packing plants to re-open...after cleaning and implementing safety procedures...but Smithfield has refused a Presidential order.
It should be noted that you can test and receive a false positive quite frequently with the newer and faster antibody tests. The CDC recommends testing a second time to eliminate the possibility of a false positive.
Echoing · 61-69, F
@4meAndyou I don't remember exactly where now but this was the third meat plant...first were like 400 cases, a few days ago, another plant of 900 tested positive. And most never knew they had it.
Yup, I remember a few years ago, Tyson sent 30,000 chickens a day to China to process and send back to us. How dumb I thought back then. That is a lot of dead birds.
Anyways, proper cooking kills all bad in any meat. 🤷♀️ I don't know... just really strange to me.
Like I said, .. stories change daily, first do this, then that... They have no idea, guessing as they go, so, Is the cure worse then the virus?
Yup, I remember a few years ago, Tyson sent 30,000 chickens a day to China to process and send back to us. How dumb I thought back then. That is a lot of dead birds.
Anyways, proper cooking kills all bad in any meat. 🤷♀️ I don't know... just really strange to me.
Like I said, .. stories change daily, first do this, then that... They have no idea, guessing as they go, so, Is the cure worse then the virus?
Echoing · 61-69, F
@4meAndyou I understand quite well.
I guess it is according to how long they have had the virus.
I am not so dumb that I do not understand.
Just trying to say, one minute you feel good, at work, and so does the rest of your co-workers..then to find out...you are sick..all 300 some odd , go home..stay there till …
And for cleaning the plant, they should of been doing that all along.
If I was a worker there and I had the choice of protecting others with a mask, and I have NO fever or signs of illness .. I would continue to work to pay my bills and feed my family. If the choice was mine. If I am not coughing... how will they catch it from me.
I guess it is according to how long they have had the virus.
I am not so dumb that I do not understand.
Just trying to say, one minute you feel good, at work, and so does the rest of your co-workers..then to find out...you are sick..all 300 some odd , go home..stay there till …
And for cleaning the plant, they should of been doing that all along.
If I was a worker there and I had the choice of protecting others with a mask, and I have NO fever or signs of illness .. I would continue to work to pay my bills and feed my family. If the choice was mine. If I am not coughing... how will they catch it from me.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
they sent them home to quarantine for 2 weeks no doubt so that they won't continue to spread it to others in the community - since so many end up in the hospital.
BUT you are touching on an interesting point - just how serious is this disease.
of course it is very serious to the people that died and their families. I wouldn't want to be on a ventilator fighting for my life
that being said if the TRUE number of infected/recovered were known then the death rate (total number of deaths divided by the total number of infected) might be way closer to the regular flu than we had anticipated.
i have no problem wearing a mask in public and washing my hands isn't a thing.
shoot, we might even do it during flu season just to keep healthy.
but it sure doesn't look like we need to dig a hole, jump in and close it behind us, does it?
BUT you are touching on an interesting point - just how serious is this disease.
of course it is very serious to the people that died and their families. I wouldn't want to be on a ventilator fighting for my life
that being said if the TRUE number of infected/recovered were known then the death rate (total number of deaths divided by the total number of infected) might be way closer to the regular flu than we had anticipated.
i have no problem wearing a mask in public and washing my hands isn't a thing.
shoot, we might even do it during flu season just to keep healthy.
but it sure doesn't look like we need to dig a hole, jump in and close it behind us, does it?
Echoing · 61-69, F
@Pretzel Yes, I would of wore a mask in the beginning. I am OCD about getting sick, I have issues...lol.. so every single year I do the hand washing and cleaning, spraying door knobs...blah blah blah.
They panic because they .. our hospitals, government was not READY for such a unthinkable event...
BUT... Bush told us years ago.. we must get ready.. we ignored and
here we are today.
I do believe we all have learned a very valuable lesson.
They panic because they .. our hospitals, government was not READY for such a unthinkable event...
BUT... Bush told us years ago.. we must get ready.. we ignored and
here we are today.
I do believe we all have learned a very valuable lesson.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@Echoing yeah the PPE shortage was stupid. we are constantly having natural disasters that require medical assistance. we have become too complacent and dependent on goods shipped immediately from ...china.
"all the eggs in one basket" came back to bite us on the...neck.
now the ventilator shortage? I'm a little more tolerant of that. maybe the next pandemic will be some kind of disease that requires a heart bypass machine or MRIs. you can't anticipate all the possibilities.
BUT we might work on a lend/lease program that will move needed machines from the areas needing them to the ones having excess capacity - or moving patients if necessary.
the corp of engineers impressed me by building a hospital in an existing building on short notice - and converting it from normal operations to one that could handle covid
we have been quicker to use technology and adapt on this disesase than any I remember in the past.
"all the eggs in one basket" came back to bite us on the...neck.
now the ventilator shortage? I'm a little more tolerant of that. maybe the next pandemic will be some kind of disease that requires a heart bypass machine or MRIs. you can't anticipate all the possibilities.
BUT we might work on a lend/lease program that will move needed machines from the areas needing them to the ones having excess capacity - or moving patients if necessary.
the corp of engineers impressed me by building a hospital in an existing building on short notice - and converting it from normal operations to one that could handle covid
we have been quicker to use technology and adapt on this disesase than any I remember in the past.