This must be one of the saddest places on the internet. Terrible
https://www.covidvaccinevictims.com/victims
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MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@SW-User You can take all the vaccines you want. I am ok with anyone taking a vaccine they want.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@SW-User Wrong. I would have loved to hear that this is a real vaccine, that really helps people. But the only one I hear saying that is Fauci. REAL caring doctors, who have been bullied and cancelled out of existence by Fauci and his "fact-checking" police force, are relating by their tens of thousands the grief and pain that these injections are causing. I believe these good doctors rather than our Tony, the grandfather of all crooks.
As for "spreading disinformation", you have learned that one by rote. It's a hypnotically acquired reflex. Listen, chum: 30 people will read this post. ARE YOU REALLY SO GULLIBLE AS TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL ALL BE TRANSFIXED BY THIS "MISINFORMATION" THAT THEY TOO WILL BECOME BIOTERRORISTS LIKE ME?
Gullible? That's too nice a word
As for "spreading disinformation", you have learned that one by rote. It's a hypnotically acquired reflex. Listen, chum: 30 people will read this post. ARE YOU REALLY SO GULLIBLE AS TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL ALL BE TRANSFIXED BY THIS "MISINFORMATION" THAT THEY TOO WILL BECOME BIOTERRORISTS LIKE ME?
Gullible? That's too nice a word
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@WalterF This website is total bullshit but you want to believe it because you hate Fauci for some reason. Block me if you want but that is fact. You’re not gullible; you simply want to believe. (PS I’ve reported you for deliberately spreading misinformation).
WalterF · 70-79, M
@SW-User Ha ha to that threat of being found guilty of spreading misinformation! Oh the ignominy! the shame!
No, I certainly won't block you. No need. We're having a reasonable discussion.
Just two points: you have obviously not heard of the book that topped the Amazon best-seller list for some time in recent months: The Real Antony Fauci. It's a sickening eye-opener, but brilliantly documented, impossible to refute, shòwing what a criminal this fellow is. You can download a free sample on Kindle, get a taste of it.
Also, you haven't explained to me just how I am "spreading misinformation". As I understand it, that would only be reprehensible (assuming it IS misinformation, which you would have to prove) if it WAS influencing people to believe in LIES (also to be proved by the accuser). (A) nobody hardly pays any attention to my posts, and (B) why would they change their beliefs because of my posts? Thanks for this vote of confidence in my powers of persuasion! Kind of you, but not realistic.
No, I certainly won't block you. No need. We're having a reasonable discussion.
Just two points: you have obviously not heard of the book that topped the Amazon best-seller list for some time in recent months: The Real Antony Fauci. It's a sickening eye-opener, but brilliantly documented, impossible to refute, shòwing what a criminal this fellow is. You can download a free sample on Kindle, get a taste of it.
Also, you haven't explained to me just how I am "spreading misinformation". As I understand it, that would only be reprehensible (assuming it IS misinformation, which you would have to prove) if it WAS influencing people to believe in LIES (also to be proved by the accuser). (A) nobody hardly pays any attention to my posts, and (B) why would they change their beliefs because of my posts? Thanks for this vote of confidence in my powers of persuasion! Kind of you, but not realistic.
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@WalterF Robert F Kennedy Jr… lawyer, conspiracy theorist, rabid anti-vaxxer. Clearly this book is a well reasoned critique of Fauci and his methods…
Nice to see such ringing endorsements from great thinkers such as Tucker Carlson as well…
Also, the almost orgasmic reviews are almost unanimous in their hatred for anything rational, scientific, and above all connected to the Democrats. Clearly the people who bought this book were not looking for a reasonable debate.
It’s only when you look at the 1-star reviews that you see the reasons why that book, along with the website, is bullshit.
Nice to see such ringing endorsements from great thinkers such as Tucker Carlson as well…
Also, the almost orgasmic reviews are almost unanimous in their hatred for anything rational, scientific, and above all connected to the Democrats. Clearly the people who bought this book were not looking for a reasonable debate.
It’s only when you look at the 1-star reviews that you see the reasons why that book, along with the website, is bullshit.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@SW-User I fail to understand your position. It is beyond me. I have this book. I am professionally involved with non-native writers of scientific texts at all levels, up to medical journal publications. I know when writing is good or bad.
Kennedy's work is so fully documented that there are almost more footnotes than text. Every paragraph has at least one reference to evidence in support of his statements. There are no opinions, only supported facts. This is excellent writing, by a man who has studied his subject in depth, with an honest and transparent approach.
If you say this is not "reasonable", then it is clear that you have been so brainwashed that you are only able to accept what your TV tells you, and that you are totally closed to other approaches. This is a serious condition, not of bodily health, but of the mind.
I don't think there is any point in discussing further with you
Kennedy's work is so fully documented that there are almost more footnotes than text. Every paragraph has at least one reference to evidence in support of his statements. There are no opinions, only supported facts. This is excellent writing, by a man who has studied his subject in depth, with an honest and transparent approach.
If you say this is not "reasonable", then it is clear that you have been so brainwashed that you are only able to accept what your TV tells you, and that you are totally closed to other approaches. This is a serious condition, not of bodily health, but of the mind.
I don't think there is any point in discussing further with you
WalterF · 70-79, M
@SW-User Still no answer to my question, how am I doing wrong through this post? That's because you haven't got one.
Observe yourself: you are unable to refer to someone who declines to participate in this clinical trial other than as an "anti-vaxxer". But is that true? Most agree with the principle of vaccines, so they are NOT anti-vaccines. Me too. But this one is not a vaccine.
But the most telling point for you to observe in your own thinking / writing, is that you are now so conditioned that the term anti-vaxxer cannot be used without the adjective "rabid". Really? Stand back and think. Do you really see ordinary people with a different opinion from you as red-faced, foaming at the mouth, aggressively seeking their prey? Really?
Why don't you attempt to return to the state you were in before they drew you in to their false covid conspiracy? You were an ordinary likeable guy, got on well with everybody, had respect for everybody.
Now look at you! We hear the hatred you are spouting! You are thinking that I am a bioterrorist and a granny killer, putting you and millions of others in mortal danger because I haven't been injected, being in perfect health, with a powerful immune system. And I, an ordinary guy like you, am the object of your fury!
That's how civilisation crumbles.
Have a good day. I think this is over.
Observe yourself: you are unable to refer to someone who declines to participate in this clinical trial other than as an "anti-vaxxer". But is that true? Most agree with the principle of vaccines, so they are NOT anti-vaccines. Me too. But this one is not a vaccine.
But the most telling point for you to observe in your own thinking / writing, is that you are now so conditioned that the term anti-vaxxer cannot be used without the adjective "rabid". Really? Stand back and think. Do you really see ordinary people with a different opinion from you as red-faced, foaming at the mouth, aggressively seeking their prey? Really?
Why don't you attempt to return to the state you were in before they drew you in to their false covid conspiracy? You were an ordinary likeable guy, got on well with everybody, had respect for everybody.
Now look at you! We hear the hatred you are spouting! You are thinking that I am a bioterrorist and a granny killer, putting you and millions of others in mortal danger because I haven't been injected, being in perfect health, with a powerful immune system. And I, an ordinary guy like you, am the object of your fury!
That's how civilisation crumbles.
Have a good day. I think this is over.
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@WalterF It is over. Also, I do not live in the States so I expect I was asleep while you were quietly exploding with self-righteous outrage waiting for an answer...
Anyway, firstly, the covidvaccinevictims.com website, though tragic, actually gives no evidence whatsoever that any of those peoples' extremely unfortunate deaths were caused by the covid vaccine. Time and again I look at the profiles and of course my heart goes out to their friends and loved ones. But the only evidence given that they died as a result of the vaccine is because the particular poster said so. Therefore, covidvaccinevictims.com is clearly designed to propagate anti-vax propaganda, to what end, I don't know. It's dangerous and should be shut down.
As for the book...
Kennedy is clearly sincere, intelligent, consistent, and does lots of research. He's good at what he does in that he's a rabid anti-vaxxer and conspiracy nut and has made a lot of money exploiting people's fears.
His book is an extension of this. It collects lots of facts and then mangles them into misinformation and conspiracy theories. It misrepresents statistics, it makes [i]extensive[/i] use of guilt-by-association. Makes loads of unprovable statements and rhetoric that sounds convincing if you don't know the background behind it.
There is no attempt at logical reasoning at all and it simply sets out to demonise Fauci to what end, I don't know. To allow Kennedy to sell more books? Set him up as an anti-vax guru? This book simply reinforces the beliefs of people who do their anti-vax "research" while on the toilet or somewhere similar, and have no wish to be fully informed about something that does not chime with their belief system.
The fact is, vaccines work! They do [i]not[/i] provide 100% protection against [i]any[/i] disease, least of all covid. I've been triple jabbed, so have my family and almost all my friends and we ALL got covid anyway. BUT none of us were hospitalised, none of us had serious complications, which is what vaccines exist to do: protect against serious infection. In my country, 9 out of 10 of covid patients in ICUs are unvaxed. The numbers don't lie.
[i]Of course [/i]people die from adverse reactions to vaccines, or they suffer [i]catastrophic [/i]side effects. For example, the brother of a friend of mine was left [i]severely[/i] brain-damaged after a cardiac arrest mere hours after having the MMR jab. [i]it happens[/i], [i]it's tragic[/i], but it's very, very [i]rare[/i]!
The covidvictims website would have you believe that millions are dying as a DIRECT result of the vaccine. [i]Bullshit[/i]! That piece-of-shit book would have you believe that Fauci is pure Evil, who somehow has colossal influence in every aspect of American life. [i]Bullshit[/i]! By all means don't take the vaccine. That's your right. But [i]do not[/i] force your views on the rest of us by "tugging at the heartstrings" like some religious zealot.
By the way, the fact that you claim I called you a bioterrorist and granny killer already shows me you know you're in the wrong.
Goodnight.
Anyway, firstly, the covidvaccinevictims.com website, though tragic, actually gives no evidence whatsoever that any of those peoples' extremely unfortunate deaths were caused by the covid vaccine. Time and again I look at the profiles and of course my heart goes out to their friends and loved ones. But the only evidence given that they died as a result of the vaccine is because the particular poster said so. Therefore, covidvaccinevictims.com is clearly designed to propagate anti-vax propaganda, to what end, I don't know. It's dangerous and should be shut down.
As for the book...
Kennedy is clearly sincere, intelligent, consistent, and does lots of research. He's good at what he does in that he's a rabid anti-vaxxer and conspiracy nut and has made a lot of money exploiting people's fears.
His book is an extension of this. It collects lots of facts and then mangles them into misinformation and conspiracy theories. It misrepresents statistics, it makes [i]extensive[/i] use of guilt-by-association. Makes loads of unprovable statements and rhetoric that sounds convincing if you don't know the background behind it.
There is no attempt at logical reasoning at all and it simply sets out to demonise Fauci to what end, I don't know. To allow Kennedy to sell more books? Set him up as an anti-vax guru? This book simply reinforces the beliefs of people who do their anti-vax "research" while on the toilet or somewhere similar, and have no wish to be fully informed about something that does not chime with their belief system.
The fact is, vaccines work! They do [i]not[/i] provide 100% protection against [i]any[/i] disease, least of all covid. I've been triple jabbed, so have my family and almost all my friends and we ALL got covid anyway. BUT none of us were hospitalised, none of us had serious complications, which is what vaccines exist to do: protect against serious infection. In my country, 9 out of 10 of covid patients in ICUs are unvaxed. The numbers don't lie.
[i]Of course [/i]people die from adverse reactions to vaccines, or they suffer [i]catastrophic [/i]side effects. For example, the brother of a friend of mine was left [i]severely[/i] brain-damaged after a cardiac arrest mere hours after having the MMR jab. [i]it happens[/i], [i]it's tragic[/i], but it's very, very [i]rare[/i]!
The covidvictims website would have you believe that millions are dying as a DIRECT result of the vaccine. [i]Bullshit[/i]! That piece-of-shit book would have you believe that Fauci is pure Evil, who somehow has colossal influence in every aspect of American life. [i]Bullshit[/i]! By all means don't take the vaccine. That's your right. But [i]do not[/i] force your views on the rest of us by "tugging at the heartstrings" like some religious zealot.
By the way, the fact that you claim I called you a bioterrorist and granny killer already shows me you know you're in the wrong.
Goodnight.