"please get the vaccine, oh please oh Please. Save the 🌍." How did homo sapiens survive "200,000 years" w/o the vaccine?

@LegionIscariot Pretty sure there have been medicines and doctors for 4000 years.

@TheArbitrator you would be wrong, if you want to use the terms medicines and doctors!

@samueltyler2 In ancient times, they were called wisemen, witches, or shaman, and their medicines were very effective. Some of the modern medicines we have today derived from their natural concoctions.

@TheArbitrator I don't see your point. They were neither physicians nor were there defined medicines. There may have been wise people and use of hens, etc. But medicine, as in a profession, is no more that 1500-2000 years old.

@samueltyler2 Imhotep might disagree.

@TheArbitrator then, I suggest that you read the history of medicine.

@samueltyler2 I have - Facts! Hippocrates is considered the father of modern medicine by many. However, Imhotep practiced medicine 2200 years before Hippocrates. China developed acupuncture and other medicines over 3000 years ago. Even African shaman used medicines for thousands of years. Many of the same medicines we used today, which are called "synthetic," derived from natural remedies and isolating the properties of those natural ingredients.

@TheArbitrator my point was, and is, they were not called physicians, didn't practice an organized medicine nor did they have reproducible medicine. We, to some extent, are arguing semantics. But, until recently the practice of medicine did not have "cures," it was more comforting the sick.

By the way younthrowvaround thebterm "thousands," of years. That would depend upon having recorded information to show the practice. We have very limited such. I don't consider trephening as really a practice of medicine. There is evidence of what appears to be purposeful opening of the skull, and survival, but, again I don't think of that as practitioners practicing medicine.

The Egyptian "physician" was describing illnesses, not practicing medicine, but, yes, I will agree that was 4000 years ago.

@TheArbitrator I feel that I do have to apologize for taking your point so literally. I was having a difficult day and felt, probably incorrectly, that you were saying that modern medicine, as defined as post Hippocrates, was not responsible for strides made in human health. I am embarrassed that I went off so strongly, but the anti-vaxxers on SW set me off. Modern public health has made a tremendous difference in all of our health. Until covid, most members of modern society have experienced a steady increased in life expectancy. That has stopped now, and it is difficult for me to understand why the role of public health and science is so controversial, why the refusal to do something simple, such as wear a mask, and why the distrust of a vaccine which has actually been subjected to more intense study than any previous vaccine in history. I spent most of my adult life trying to help people live longer, better lives, I can't just turn that part of me off.

ANyway, please accept my apology if I came off too strong, too heavily.