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European settlers to Native people: “Your ancestors came through Asia—so you’re Asian.”

Let’s talk about that.

Geographically, Europe isn’t truly a separate continent. It’s part of Eurasia, a continuous landmass divided only by arbitrary markers like the Ural Mountains and the Caucasus. The idea of Europe as distinct from Asia has no geological or anthropological basis—it’s a cultural and colonial construct, rooted in Greco-Roman worldviews and later reinforced by European imperial ideologies.

Meanwhile, the ancestry of modern European populations is deeply rooted in West and Central Asia. Modern humans migrated out of Africa, passed through Asia tens of thousands of years ago, and entered Europe in multiple waves. The earliest were Paleolithic hunter-gatherers, arriving around 45,000 years ago. Today, their genetic contribution is a minority in most of Europe, though it persists more strongly in isolated regions. Around 9,000 years ago, Anatolian farmers spread into Europe, bringing agriculture and reshaping the continent’s genetic and cultural landscape. Then, around 5,000 years ago, steppe pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian region—descendants of Central Asian populations—swept into Europe, fundamentally transforming its demography and laying the foundation for many of today’s Indo-European languages.

If ancient migration from Asia makes someone “Asian,” then by that logic, modern Europeans—whose ancestry includes multiple, relatively recent waves from Asia—would certainly qualify.

As for Indigenous peoples of the Americas, their story is older and far more complex than the narratives settlers used to justify colonization. The simplistic Bering Land Bridge theory—that humans crossed into the Americas only around 13,000 years ago and quickly spread south—has been discredited. While Beringia did exist, it was not just a passageway. It was an expansive and ecologically rich region where ancestral Native populations likely lived for thousands of years before moving further into the Americas.

More importantly, archaeological evidence now confirms that humans were present in the Americas much earlier than once believed. Monte Verde in Chile shows signs of human presence around 14,500 years ago. The submerged Page–Ladson site in Florida confirms a similar date. But the most critical evidence comes from White Sands National Park in New Mexico, where fossilized human footprints—dated between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago—have been verified through radiocarbon dating of seeds, stratigraphic analysis, and pollen records. These findings place humans in North America during the Last Glacial Maximum, when traditional models claimed migration was impossible.

At Cooper’s Ferry, Idaho, tools and projectile points dated to 15,000–16,000 years ago suggest established, complex societies long before the so-called “ice-free corridor” opened. This supports the theory of an earlier Pacific coastal migration, likely involving seafaring peoples. Some contested sites—like Chiquihuite Cave in Mexico and Santa Elina in Brazil—even suggest possible human activity as early as 27,000 to 30,000 years ago. While debate continues around these older dates, the overall consensus is clear: humans have been in the Americas far longer than settler narratives allowed.

Inuit and Yupik communities do have more recent genetic links to Siberia, arriving roughly 4,000 to 5,000 years ago. But they are exceptions. The vast majority of Indigenous peoples in the Americas have been genetically and culturally distinct from Asian populations for tens of thousands of years—longer than Europeans have been. Their lineages diverged well before the categories of “Asian” or “European” even existed.

Setters used this ancient migration across Beringia as a tool to delegitimize Indigenous identity—flattening millennia of cultural development into a vague, ahistorical “Asian” label to undermine sovereignty and justify land theft. Meanwhile, those same settlers—whose own ancestors passed through Asia much more recently—are never labeled “Asian.” And if they were, Europeans would contest severely.

Why? Because it was never about consistency or science. It was about power, control, and erasure. Calling Native peoples “Asian” is a rhetorical tool of dispossession. Calling Europeans the same? Apparently unthinkable.

It was not anthropology. It was settler colonial gaslighting.

From my friend Layla, who is Riffian Amazigh.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
So, everyone is an immigrant, their ancestors just immigrated in different millennia. Except people in some parts of Africa, IF their ancestors never moved out. All of which is simply a convenient way to divide the human race into competing sections instead of trying to get us to realize we're all one species and we should be aiming for togetherness and not division.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@basilfawlty89 Native tribes were warring and stealing each other's lands long before Europeans got involved. The Europeans were just better at it, I guess.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ChipmunkErnie and there that mask slips off lol.

No, it's not cause you were "better" at war.
It was because of forcing your languages, cultures and religion, engaging in the mass murder of people including women and children, and spreading diseases like smallpox.

Cortez besieged Tenochtlan for 1 year before it fell, and they surrendered because of smallpox, not to mention Cortez had to use the warriors of the Tlaxcaltec Empire.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@basilfawlty89 Cortez lead a coalition of Native tribes who had been subjugated by the Aztecs was the most recent thing I read; essentially a revolt of enslaved/oppressed peoples against the Aztec rulers? As to "better", I has being facetious -- but who won the various wars in the end? History is history, there have always been winners and losers, nothing can change it, all we can do it try to be better in the present.
Nate931 · 31-35, M
Any time people try and tie modern ethnic divisions to ancient classifications that existed for humans thousands of years ago, I'm suspect. Native Americans may superficially resemble Asians more than other peoples and they may be more closely related genetically but saying they're the same doesn't account for cultural and even genetic changes that have occurred over the course of thousands of years.

When we're talking about "indigenous" status, we have to draw a line somewhere or else conclude that the word is meaningless. People slowly migrating into a previously uninhabited land over the course of thousands of years is not the same as settler-colonialism. Most of the time this is brought up to gloss over and excuse settler-colonialism, to say "actually it wasn't that bad".
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Nate931 The word "indigenous" as generally used seems to mean a European saying, "They were here when we showed up". We could always go with my favorite, "autochthonous" -- if for no other reason that it will confuse a lot of people. :)
Nate931 · 31-35, M
@ChipmunkErnie That is a great word. When I studied linguistics in college, I would come across it when describing a language family that had been there before others brought by migrations (e.g. the Austroasiatic languages are the autochthonous languages of Southeast Asia).
BohoBabe · M
The reason people bring this up is because a lot of people seem to think Native Americans have more of a right to be in America than anyone else. When someone points out that Native Americans aren't really indigenous to the Americas, it's in the contexts of saying they're also the descendants of migrants.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 I’ve been to 6 countries in s America . Surfed Peru Ecuador Brazil. Peruvians def look Asian. Some Mexicans you can see Asian features too. Our history just fascinates me (meaning mankind )
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt Asia is an entire continent, mate. Yeah, many indigenous people have features like epicanthic folds, but also features like high nasal bridges, prominent brow ridges, which aren't commonly found in East Asians. And different skin colours and tones

I mean, Pacific Islanders originally migrated out of Taiwan. Most people don't mistake Maoris for Chinese people.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89
Hence why Inuits and Native Alaskans often have a different category on census.

That's about ancestry and culture, not phenotype. It's like how a lot of surveys will have "white Hispanic" and non-white Hispanic."
Phenotypically speaking, Inuits and Native Alaskans usually look very similar, like Greeks and Italians.
Miram · 31-35, F
I agree with the general goal, but disagree with a variety of points here, especially the reference to genetics and the certainty about timelines.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Miram sure, and like she said the timeline is still speculative. But I think the main takeaway is that Natives are Natives, and that calling Indigenous Americans Asians makes zero sense as the same could be said about Europeans, and it's used to justify the history of settler-colonialism.

You'd like her btw.
She's also Amazigh incidentally (Riffian).
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
A very thorough analysis, but just when was the Bering Land Bridge theory first formulated, and by what time could we really say that it had become part of the baggage carried by European settlers?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@onewithshoes I'm speaking of modern arguments. Fact is settler-colonialism and genocide happened. Europeans first thought that the Americas were part of India. Hence calling Natives "Indian".
Moreover, if Native Americans crossed the Bering Strait, they did it 20,000 years ago. Europeans don’t question the lineage of those with that much time spent in Europe.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ChipmunkErnie Western Eurasian ≠ European. Western Eurasia also includes Southwest Asia. It doesn't mean that white people were here first or even that long ago.
It means that the founding population who migrated from Beringia had prior West Eurasian and East Eurasian ancestry.
I literally said to Methdozer below that while most mtDNA haplogroups of Native Americans are East Asian, one isn't, and the yDNA of Native Americans is more common in Central Asia and Iran.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@basilfawlty89 Not sure way I'm going on with this since I don't actually care about dividing up humanity into little groups -- but it is diverting my boredom.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ChipmunkErnie ...except when claiming America was conquered because European superiority. Then it matters.

Also, read the author
It's not me.
I love how people apparently know more than Doctor in Anthropology about Anthropology.
MethDozer · M
My only issue with this is the analsys that the Bearing Straight crossing theory was developed purely out of racist and imperial appoligism. That's inaccurate. It was developed out of the knowledge of its time. It seemed reasonable and likely based on the evidence available. It being unlikely and discredited by nore recent discoveries contests the theory and sure it is held onto to discredit the claims of New World nativism, but to say it was originaly purely made up for the sake of imperialism apologists is bunk. The theory didnt even exists when European settlers statted colonizing the Americas. It wasnt just invented in order to justify colonizing the Americas or invented by the colonizers. It didnt exist as a theory until hundreds of year after colonization and was indeed developed by anthropologist in the late 1800s to early 1900s based on the limited data they had at the time. Continuing can be argued is a racist appology for colonization of tb past easily, bht to sag thats what it was developed for and out of thin air for that purpose is not really true. Its just how any science works. Theories that add up to the data become obsolete and disporven as new data is collected.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@MethDozer true, again I'm not the author though.

It's definitely true Native Americans on the whole migrated through Beringia.
However we don't know the migration patterns to Beringia either though.

The yDNA of Native Americans and some people in the Northeast of Siberia tend to be Haplogroup Q. Q descended from P, which is more strongly associated with Central Asia and Iran than East Asia. The other is R (common throughout Western Eurasia), and C (common throughout Eastern Eurasia.

The mtDNA is A, B, C, D and X.
The first four are East Eurasian, X is more commonly found in Western Eurasia.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
I always thought our ancestors came from the Garden of Eden.
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89
By that definition no humans can be called 'native' to the Americas, as none are really indigenous or aboriginal.
Only creatures who evolved in the Americas before the continents divided should really be called 'native' to the Americas.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@onewithshoes then no humans are "native" to Europe or Asia either. We're only native to Africa.

Native, indigenous or aboriginal can also mean the first population to reach an area.
Hence why we say Armenians are indigenous to Armenia and Anatolia, or Greeks are indigenous to Greece.
I think an almost 10 000 year history in terms of culture and genetics makes you pretty native to an area. Native Americans arrived in the Americas even earlier.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@basilfawlty89 this answered what I was meaning
Yes, if you are born in the United States, you are a native-born American, meaning you are a U.S. citizen by birthright. However, the term "Native American" has a distinct meaning, referring specifically to the indigenous peoples of the continent, the ancestors of whom lived in the Americas before Europeans arrived.
Native-born American vs. Native American
Native-born American:
This term refers to anyone born on U.S. soil. According to the U.S. Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, anyone born in the United States is granted citizenship, regardless of their parents' immigration status.
Native American:
This term is reserved for the indigenous peoples of North America. They are the original inhabitants of the land before the arrival of European colonizers.
Context is Key
The meaning of "native" depends on the context.
In legal and general contexts, someone born in the U.S. is a native-born citizen of the country.
However, when people say "Native American," they are typically referring to the distinct cultural and historical heritage of the indigenous tribes of the Americas.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
The Euros had no idea the people came from Asia . You’re attributing 21st century knowledge to people in the 15th century . Im guessing you think they also knew about bacteria , viruses ,and disease
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 God Bless America
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt somewhat. The US is a nation like any other. It has both good and bad. May God bless all nations.

And btw - one of the reasons for the Mexican-American War was because Mexico outlawed slavery since 1821 during independence. The Anglo settlers with slaves weren't too happy about that.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 both Mexico and Britain beat us to the punch by decades but better late than never I guess
The earliest Homo Sapiens bones have now been found in Morocco.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@wishforthenight oh I know.
All human beings originally migrated out of Africa.

My point is saying "Native Americans are just Asians" makes about as much sense as calling Europeans Asians, or even further back calling everyone Africans.

It's not my work the above - my friend Layla wrote it, she has a PhD in anthropology.
BlueVeins · 22-25
The only continents are America, Australia, and Afro-Eurasia. "Antarctica" is just an archipelago with an ice sheet on it. So called "Europeans" are just coping.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BlueVeins basically yeah.
Europe is a geopolitical term.
It has no basis in actual geography and topology.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 it’s not even a real
Continent
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
I don't listen to anything European Settlers say to justify their BS.

I'm just glad more of them are starting to suffer now.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt again, no.

If they didn't surrender, the soldiers would be killed to the last man. Not the civilian population.

The point is even the Spanish crown was horrified showing it was NOT common in history.

Most people including in Europe, would be horrified by such barbarity. Hence why the Ottoman mass rapes and murder in the Balkans such as Bulgaria caused outrage and led to independence movements.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 it’s my understanding that the ottomans , like the Roman’s , were relatively good to those in their realm , if they were loyal. Anyone could be a Roman or Ottoman . Hell , Attaturk wasn’t even Turkish, neither were many Roman emperors .
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Defining others works! You're hegemonic.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Also, weeaboos - be happy, I called you with your anime body pillows Asian.

 
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