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European settlers to Native people: “Your ancestors came through Asia—so you’re Asian.”

Let’s talk about that.

Geographically, Europe isn’t truly a separate continent. It’s part of Eurasia, a continuous landmass divided only by arbitrary markers like the Ural Mountains and the Caucasus. The idea of Europe as distinct from Asia has no geological or anthropological basis—it’s a cultural and colonial construct, rooted in Greco-Roman worldviews and later reinforced by European imperial ideologies.

Meanwhile, the ancestry of modern European populations is deeply rooted in West and Central Asia. Modern humans migrated out of Africa, passed through Asia tens of thousands of years ago, and entered Europe in multiple waves. The earliest were Paleolithic hunter-gatherers, arriving around 45,000 years ago. Today, their genetic contribution is a minority in most of Europe, though it persists more strongly in isolated regions. Around 9,000 years ago, Anatolian farmers spread into Europe, bringing agriculture and reshaping the continent’s genetic and cultural landscape. Then, around 5,000 years ago, steppe pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian region—descendants of Central Asian populations—swept into Europe, fundamentally transforming its demography and laying the foundation for many of today’s Indo-European languages.

If ancient migration from Asia makes someone “Asian,” then by that logic, modern Europeans—whose ancestry includes multiple, relatively recent waves from Asia—would certainly qualify.

As for Indigenous peoples of the Americas, their story is older and far more complex than the narratives settlers used to justify colonization. The simplistic Bering Land Bridge theory—that humans crossed into the Americas only around 13,000 years ago and quickly spread south—has been discredited. While Beringia did exist, it was not just a passageway. It was an expansive and ecologically rich region where ancestral Native populations likely lived for thousands of years before moving further into the Americas.

More importantly, archaeological evidence now confirms that humans were present in the Americas much earlier than once believed. Monte Verde in Chile shows signs of human presence around 14,500 years ago. The submerged Page–Ladson site in Florida confirms a similar date. But the most critical evidence comes from White Sands National Park in New Mexico, where fossilized human footprints—dated between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago—have been verified through radiocarbon dating of seeds, stratigraphic analysis, and pollen records. These findings place humans in North America during the Last Glacial Maximum, when traditional models claimed migration was impossible.

At Cooper’s Ferry, Idaho, tools and projectile points dated to 15,000–16,000 years ago suggest established, complex societies long before the so-called “ice-free corridor” opened. This supports the theory of an earlier Pacific coastal migration, likely involving seafaring peoples. Some contested sites—like Chiquihuite Cave in Mexico and Santa Elina in Brazil—even suggest possible human activity as early as 27,000 to 30,000 years ago. While debate continues around these older dates, the overall consensus is clear: humans have been in the Americas far longer than settler narratives allowed.

Inuit and Yupik communities do have more recent genetic links to Siberia, arriving roughly 4,000 to 5,000 years ago. But they are exceptions. The vast majority of Indigenous peoples in the Americas have been genetically and culturally distinct from Asian populations for tens of thousands of years—longer than Europeans have been. Their lineages diverged well before the categories of “Asian” or “European” even existed.

Setters used this ancient migration across Beringia as a tool to delegitimize Indigenous identity—flattening millennia of cultural development into a vague, ahistorical “Asian” label to undermine sovereignty and justify land theft. Meanwhile, those same settlers—whose own ancestors passed through Asia much more recently—are never labeled “Asian.” And if they were, Europeans would contest severely.

Why? Because it was never about consistency or science. It was about power, control, and erasure. Calling Native peoples “Asian” is a rhetorical tool of dispossession. Calling Europeans the same? Apparently unthinkable.

It was not anthropology. It was settler colonial gaslighting.

From my friend Layla, who is Riffian Amazigh.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
The Euros had no idea the people came from Asia . You’re attributing 21st century knowledge to people in the 15th century . Im guessing you think they also knew about bacteria , viruses ,and disease
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
@AthrillatheHunt Yes, the history of ideas is as important in this discussion as the history of migrations. we should try to be honest about what we know, and do not know, about both histories.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@onewithshoes honesty is always the best policy
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt buddy...this argument about Natives not being native is happening now. Not back then. I have a problem not just with the bigotry, but also because it's ahistorical and pseudoscientific.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt the Euros thought they reached India, hence calling the people "Indians". That might be a misunderstanding, sure. The decision to steal the land, commit genocide and enslave Natives wasn't. The European settlers from Spain and England knew full well what they were doing.

The island of Hispaniola used to be inhabited by the Taino. The modern population is mixed African and European.
Why? Because slaves from Africa were taken there after the Taino were literally worked to death and massacred by the Spaniards.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 the slave trade was a blight on all those involved in it . ALL those involved.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt if you mean a blight morally to Europeans - sure.
If you mean suffering - fck no, much of Europe's riches were plundered from the Americas, Asia and Africa.
How do you think many landed wealth families attained their riches?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 I said ALL involved. From whom did the euros buy the slaves ?
Why did the people who bought the slaves do so well economically but those that sold them never improved their lot in life ?
It’s still a huge biz today . Lots of people profiting from it
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt Transatlantic Slavery ≠ Other forms of Slavery.

Slavery practiced in Africa was more like a debt that could be worked off. A slave could become a free man after tenure. Also his descendants weren't slaves. He had rights. And slavery wasn't based on skin colour.

The plantation slavery meant no rights for slaves, it was based on skin colour, and all your descendants counted as the owner's property.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 agreed that our version of slavery was completely new and way different than historical slavery (in a VERY bad way ).
How long you think it took the sellers to figure out what happened to the slaves ? 1 year ? 10 years ?
Didn’t stop them from selling them though .
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt do you really the slave sellers in Africa spoke English or Spanish natively and had a little fact finding mission and spreadsheet for each slave?
There wasn't an internet back then.
Even newspapers weren't as common.
Many people including in Europe weren't literate. There was also no radio or television either obviously.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 they obviously never knew what was going on (sarcasm ). But they did keep records in ledgers (old timey spreadsheets ). Those records are public knowledge. Several African governments even apologized for their role. Like I said : ALL involved
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt and on those ledgers, did they record the conditions on the plantations? Did they physically inspect the plantations? Or did they rely on the word of European buyers?

I'm not saying Europeans are uniquely evil. Every racial group has committed atrocities.
But blame shifting doesn't help.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 not blame shifting , blame SHARING. We admitted our fault and close to 1/2 million men died for that cause .
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt and sharing is proportional to agency involved in tge atrocities. European slavers share the brunt of the blame.

Yes, people thought to end slavery.
But it also their ancestors who started the plantation slavery in the first place.

Also - not all Union soldiers were White Americans. Some were European immigrants from Ireland and Germany.
There were also African Americans, Mexican Americans and Native Americans in the Union army.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 we should have allowed Africans to fight for us too (but I never mentioned race in the death count )
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt there were literally Free Men fighting in the US army since the War of Independence, buddy.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 God Bless America
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt somewhat. The US is a nation like any other. It has both good and bad. May God bless all nations.

And btw - one of the reasons for the Mexican-American War was because Mexico outlawed slavery since 1821 during independence. The Anglo settlers with slaves weren't too happy about that.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 both Mexico and Britain beat us to the punch by decades but better late than never I guess