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European settlers to Native people: “Your ancestors came through Asia—so you’re Asian.”

Let’s talk about that.

Geographically, Europe isn’t truly a separate continent. It’s part of Eurasia, a continuous landmass divided only by arbitrary markers like the Ural Mountains and the Caucasus. The idea of Europe as distinct from Asia has no geological or anthropological basis—it’s a cultural and colonial construct, rooted in Greco-Roman worldviews and later reinforced by European imperial ideologies.

Meanwhile, the ancestry of modern European populations is deeply rooted in West and Central Asia. Modern humans migrated out of Africa, passed through Asia tens of thousands of years ago, and entered Europe in multiple waves. The earliest were Paleolithic hunter-gatherers, arriving around 45,000 years ago. Today, their genetic contribution is a minority in most of Europe, though it persists more strongly in isolated regions. Around 9,000 years ago, Anatolian farmers spread into Europe, bringing agriculture and reshaping the continent’s genetic and cultural landscape. Then, around 5,000 years ago, steppe pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian region—descendants of Central Asian populations—swept into Europe, fundamentally transforming its demography and laying the foundation for many of today’s Indo-European languages.

If ancient migration from Asia makes someone “Asian,” then by that logic, modern Europeans—whose ancestry includes multiple, relatively recent waves from Asia—would certainly qualify.

As for Indigenous peoples of the Americas, their story is older and far more complex than the narratives settlers used to justify colonization. The simplistic Bering Land Bridge theory—that humans crossed into the Americas only around 13,000 years ago and quickly spread south—has been discredited. While Beringia did exist, it was not just a passageway. It was an expansive and ecologically rich region where ancestral Native populations likely lived for thousands of years before moving further into the Americas.

More importantly, archaeological evidence now confirms that humans were present in the Americas much earlier than once believed. Monte Verde in Chile shows signs of human presence around 14,500 years ago. The submerged Page–Ladson site in Florida confirms a similar date. But the most critical evidence comes from White Sands National Park in New Mexico, where fossilized human footprints—dated between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago—have been verified through radiocarbon dating of seeds, stratigraphic analysis, and pollen records. These findings place humans in North America during the Last Glacial Maximum, when traditional models claimed migration was impossible.

At Cooper’s Ferry, Idaho, tools and projectile points dated to 15,000–16,000 years ago suggest established, complex societies long before the so-called “ice-free corridor” opened. This supports the theory of an earlier Pacific coastal migration, likely involving seafaring peoples. Some contested sites—like Chiquihuite Cave in Mexico and Santa Elina in Brazil—even suggest possible human activity as early as 27,000 to 30,000 years ago. While debate continues around these older dates, the overall consensus is clear: humans have been in the Americas far longer than settler narratives allowed.

Inuit and Yupik communities do have more recent genetic links to Siberia, arriving roughly 4,000 to 5,000 years ago. But they are exceptions. The vast majority of Indigenous peoples in the Americas have been genetically and culturally distinct from Asian populations for tens of thousands of years—longer than Europeans have been. Their lineages diverged well before the categories of “Asian” or “European” even existed.

Setters used this ancient migration across Beringia as a tool to delegitimize Indigenous identity—flattening millennia of cultural development into a vague, ahistorical “Asian” label to undermine sovereignty and justify land theft. Meanwhile, those same settlers—whose own ancestors passed through Asia much more recently—are never labeled “Asian.” And if they were, Europeans would contest severely.

Why? Because it was never about consistency or science. It was about power, control, and erasure. Calling Native peoples “Asian” is a rhetorical tool of dispossession. Calling Europeans the same? Apparently unthinkable.

It was not anthropology. It was settler colonial gaslighting.

From my friend Layla, who is Riffian Amazigh.
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BohoBabe · M
The reason people bring this up is because a lot of people seem to think Native Americans have more of a right to be in America than anyone else. When someone points out that Native Americans aren't really indigenous to the Americas, it's in the contexts of saying they're also the descendants of migrants.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe except they ARE really indigenous. Otherwise Europeans aren't indigenous to Europe either.

And while immigration shouldn't be restricted on race, most people agree legally that victims of genocide, theft and slavery have a right to reparations.

Also there's no statute of limitations on tge crime of genocide. It also can refer to genocides prior to the legal act if there are survivors to the atrocity.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89 So it is kinda subjective. You could say that Europeans were originally from Africa, so the only truly indigenous people on Earth are Africans. But the way that happened is that neanderthals and homo sapiens both left Africa, settled down in Europe, and mated with each other to create the humans that would later be known as Europeans. So the first place these people ever existed was in Europe. Whereas all of these Native American tribes were originally from Siberia.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe lol no.

The first Europeans were hunter-gatherer-foragers. Their DNA is lower in admixture in most Europeans. Then came Neolithic Near Eastern farmers, then Pontic-Caspian pastoralists. This is all far more recent than any Asian ancesty in Native Americans.
Thie is not subjective, it's objective fact.
Why do you think most Europeans speak an Indo-European language? The earliest IE language branch was Anatolian (modern day Turkey and Armenia). PIE arose from near today's Black Sea.

Also - while both Europeans and Asians have Neanderthal admixture, it's max at around 2%. You're still predominantly from Homo Sapiens from the Horn of Africa.

Don't be triggered.
Happy Kwanza, my fellow African.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe oh, and there's also recent admixture from Africa. Hence why people in the Mediterranean sometimes have the E yDNA haplogroup. It's a haplogroup from the Horn of Africa.

#factsdontcareaboutyourfeelings
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89 The first people in Europe were hunter-gatherers from the Near East, but they're not considered the same as modern Europeans. The modern Europeans are a mix of the hunter-gatherers, farmers who also came from the Near East but much much later, and then North Eurasians who came after that.
So again, modern Europeans didn't exist outside of Europe. If you believe in the concept of people being indigenous to a land based on where their ancestors are from, then white people are indigenous to Europe.

I know I'm part black, that's why I love watermelon and pawgs.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe don't cut yourself on all that edge, bro.

Modern Native Americans didn't exist outside of the Americas either.
Look at modern day Siberian populations' genetics and appearance.

Point is you have recent Asian admixture than we do. So if you're Native Europeans we're Native Americans. Otherwise we're both Asians.

Also - again, Europe is a geopolitical concept, not an actual geographic continent. Saying Europe is a continent is like saying Pluto is a planet.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89 That's not edgy! You South Africans are so soft. 😆

The tribes that we usually think of as Native American did exist in Siberia. A lot of them do have the same phenotype as the people who still live there.

The difference is that the European phenotypes were formed in Europe. Though Europeans do have Asian ancestry.
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BohoBabe · M
@AthrillatheHunt If you wanna get technical, the people usually defined as neanderthals did evolve in Europe and Asia, but they came from the heidelbergensis, who were from Africa.

Also, there was another group from Africa called "homo erectus."

*giggles like a child*
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe moment most people start mistaking the average Comanche for a Chinese guy, let me know.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89 That's why I said "European phenotypes." There are multiple European phenotypes, earlier anthropologists considered them different races. The point is that they were all formed in Europe, making them indigenous to Europe.

There are also multiple phenotypes for Siberians, but many of them look similar to Native Americans, since those phenotypes were formed in Siberia.

Of course there's always going to be exceptions when it comes to phenotypical features because humans are still one species.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89 The Chinese are East Asian, not Siberian.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@BohoBabe yeah, and most Native Americans don't even look like most Inuits, not to mention modern Siberians.
Hence why Inuits and Native Alaskans often have a different category on census.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 I was in Alaska in July . Athabaskan people look more Japanese and Inuit look more north Chinese / Siberian IMO
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt now go further south and see how many Mayans look Chinese or Japanese.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 I’ve been to 6 countries in s America . Surfed Peru Ecuador Brazil. Peruvians def look Asian. Some Mexicans you can see Asian features too. Our history just fascinates me (meaning mankind )
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt Asia is an entire continent, mate. Yeah, many indigenous people have features like epicanthic folds, but also features like high nasal bridges, prominent brow ridges, which aren't commonly found in East Asians. And different skin colours and tones

I mean, Pacific Islanders originally migrated out of Taiwan. Most people don't mistake Maoris for Chinese people.
BohoBabe · M
@basilfawlty89
Hence why Inuits and Native Alaskans often have a different category on census.

That's about ancestry and culture, not phenotype. It's like how a lot of surveys will have "white Hispanic" and non-white Hispanic."
Phenotypically speaking, Inuits and Native Alaskans usually look very similar, like Greeks and Italians.