Anti semitism? What?!

@Northwest
I note the clause that was left out.

The problem I am addressing is the concept of hate. Hatred is a strong word and I do not think I know of a teaching to hate people outside of your religion being taught by any of them. That's the concept I was hoping to clear up. I agree that there is some conditioning to hate culturally, but not much more than that which occurs naturally for all identities, propagandas, and religions in general.
I don't think I quite see a hatred of Jews for the reason of it somehow being their fault because they're just blamed.

I am afraid that after reading your link from beginning to end, I did not see where it was mentioning a hatred of banking in Islam or even Christianity for that matter (although I still cannot speak on Christian beliefs in detail). It also did not mention the recruitment of Jews to handle the finances for Muslims in the Ottoman empire. It does notice Jews as bankers but not for Muslims because they adopted from Christians this idea that banking was a devil's tool. Nor did it exclude Muslims banking for Muslims or Christians banking for Christians.

I am not denying it to be possible. I am just highlighting the idea about banking in Islam being a culture adopted from Christians and that the perspective on it is that it is a tool of evil.

No. Rather quite the opposite, I've heard it sometimes. I can confirm they are statements that I have heard at least 2-3 times.
But I don't think that means Muslims blame Jews for financial hardships. I just don't see this blatant and wild antagonization of the Jews by Muslims and Christians.

I hope you hear me.

I have no way I can conceptualize me offering my corrections in any more direct and honest way. I in no way feel or felt upset, so I suggest you refrain from attributing "triggeredness" to me. If you're really convinced I am triggered, politely suggest a nicer way that I could have gotten my points across. Because I just wanted to address the history behind it.

And I'll confirm to you I'm a Muslim. Just know that this does not make me any more or less triggered about anything. I just value truth and the accuracy of the history and reality.

@Iwantyourhotwife
You're exposing your biases, not history, but part of the problem is that you're not translating what I'm saying properly.

For instance:
That's not what I said, and I keep telling you that. Charging and receiving interest is not allowed in Islam. Charging and receiving interest was also frowned upon in Christianity. This is why they appointed Jews to handle money. The OP's question was about the origins of anti-semitism.


I have no idea what you mean by this.


2-3 times? Wow. Sorry, but this made me laugh pretty hard. You really need to get out more often.

I am happy to have a conversation, but when I read something like this, I wonder how realistic you are about your word views.


You missed the point. The PBS link is about how Jews got to the position they're in. The Qur'an prescribes death to idolaters, it does not get more hateful than that, but I understand the context of the time. The point though, is NOT about what the religion says, it's about the cultural implications of religion/time context. This is what my comments are about, but you seem to take it personally. It's about history, and you're not presenting history, you're presenting your own biases, starting with the 'you've heard it 2-3 times'.

@Northwest I appreciate you hearing me out but I think instead of there being bias on your and my end, we might be speaking past each other so I would like to clarify some things after rereading our conversation to make sense of things

1. You are targeting a culture in which Jews, Christians, and Muslims look down upon one another, each thinking they are guided and this obviously stems antisemitism for the hateful and stupid people amongst Muslims and Christians. If I get you, know that we agree and this is true

2. My confusion on the banking thing stems from you most likely meaning interest in the highlighted quote below:
If this was to be interest, then yes. This would be true both culturally, historically, and as separate teachings for both Christians and Muslims, supposing I am not mistaken

3. You are misunderstanding my '2-3' quote. You asked me if I deny the "Jews control the world's finances" rhetoric. I not only affirmed your point thst they exist, I added the fact that I have personally witnessed it more than once personally to demonstrate that I know you're telling the truth here. I don't know how supporting you turned into a bias, so just know to be careful before accusing me of that.

4. Let's stick to how you like it:
Let's stay with the culture having its respective religion/time context. My whole point was that these points, for the stupid and hateful Christians and Muslims these might be accurate and valid:

These were your original points I was reflecting on and couldn't come to see with the history for antisemitism as a general culture across the Christian and Muslim diaspora. In no way does this negate antisemitism, this being a root for some of antisemitism, I just think I can only see it for the stupid and hateful, which would in turn be valid.
It's just this bit which I would then disagree with:

Having refreshed my perspective and hopefully pushing past accusations of bias stemming from us not seeing eye to eye, has this review made sense? I hope I haven't ruffled your feathers and gotten ya in a fightin mood cuz I was not intending to argue 😅

@MistyCee in what way?

@Iwantyourhotwife in what way are Jews easy to build a case against?

I'd propose a couple of thousand years of history and a really tough birth of a split off religion, if that's what you're asking.

Whether justified or not, there's two thousand years of history between Jews and Christians, and it's been sort of an ugly divorce, which has kind of grown past its origins.

Is that what you were asking about?

@MistyCee yeah. that was what I was asking about. Thanks for clarifying and letting me know :)