Did you guys know that the word is with illegals crossing the US border from Mexico is to tell the border patrol you were born 10 years earlier than

@windinhishair Actually legal residents who had valid work visas do get Social Security if they meet the other requirements. They legally are referred to as aliens to distinguish them from citizens; but they are/were here legally and are not illegal immigrants.

@dancingtongue Thank you very much for the clarification. I stand corrected. Legal permanent residents can indeed receive social security benefits with a legal work record, military service, or other criteria. But this does not apply to illegal immigrants that the OP was referring to.

@windinhishair anyone who works can collect social security.

@Roundandroundwego If they had a valid SSN and worked a sufficient number of quarters to qualify. If they are not a legal resident with a green card they can't get a SSN, so many come up with fake SSN which is OK for payroll taxes going in -- not so much on trying to collect in benefits later.

[@dancingtongue they all have that. It's what you get with the green card. Since 1980, and before. But people see illegal workers. And I understand that's Murka vision. They see my poverty as their right to kill. I see them.

@Roundandroundwego If they have a green card, they are legal residents. But all workers are not legal because our dysfunctional immigration policies make it almost impossible for them to get in legally.

@dancingtongue it's not that simple. Until they're not working, seasonally sometimes - residency is separate. EU also needed slaves that get out as the work ends.

@Roundandroundwego I will agree it is not simple. Can't be reduced to a bumper sticker/social media slogan.

@dancingtongue it's definitely a way to harm the populations and divide humanity. It's how you cancelled the universal declaration of human rights in favor of universal services to capitalism for humanity. You beat socialism in 1991. Now no hope for change or anything but complete ecocide under capitalism. Not hard to understand - just hated by most people, nobody thinks we can do as much about it!

@Roundandroundwego What's this "you", masked man? 🤔

@dancingtongue the West, Americans, capitalism. Anyone else who isn't us, communists.
Immigration is a right for us, but you have to fight the incoming ","illegals ". You vs us. War vs human rights.

@windinhishair Except that is not true, You have a 25 year old who came here from Venezuela, Turned themselves in to the Border Patrol at the border asking for asylum, when they are processed they give their name and date of birth along with all the other information and give a date of birth which shows them as being 35 instead of 25 and from there on that is their date of birth, nobody demands a birth certificate and they can't get one from Venezuela.

@windinhishair You need to go read up on that, the social security administration have 7 ways a non citizen can become and eligible alien and receive the benefits. Also some non citizens can qualify for SSI eligibility whose requirements are different from those for Social Security benefits.

@Johnson212 And you perhaps need to check a dictionary or law book. Eligible alien does not include illegal immigrant. Eligible begins with being a legal resident of the US. Alien, as defined by the SSA, is a non-citizen legally residing with a work visa in the US.

@dancingtongue You are missing one of the main points of the post, you come here at 25 you have decades to go from being an illegal alien to an elligible alien.

@Johnson212 And you are missing the point that to go from illegal immigrant to eligible alien (1) is quite unlikely under current laws; (2) documenting age is going to take more than what was said on a "captured" document (as you will soon find out if you haven't applied for Social Security yet); and (3) it is far more likely that that illegal alien will be paying into the Social Security fund on a fake SSN to help keep Social Security solvent for you and I than ever collect it. So why focus on a red herring scare tactic other than to promote a political agenda?

@Johnson212 An illegal alien is not the same as an asylum seeker. We have laws for how we must handle asylum. There is a hearing scheduled and if asylum is ultimately granted, they are allowed to remain in the US. They do not receive social security benefits immediately, and part of the hearing is to determine the asylum seeker's specific circumstances. If they cannot establish when and where they were born and resided as they plead their case, they are not likely to be accepted.

You really need to read up on US law and stop letting hate guide you.

@windinhishair :You completely missed the point of the 10 year thing, perhaps you need to read up on that. You are correct that illegal aliens don't get social security, citizens who have not worked 40 quarters don't get social security either, there are a couple of things at play here which impact that. First if they are young they have many decades to change their status so that they are lawfully allowed to stay in the country, this can be done by falling in to several categories, they could be granted conditional entry, they could be as many currently are paroled into the United States, are admitted as a refugee, are granted asylum, if their removal for some reason is being withheld, or are from a list of certain countries. If these illegal immigrants who have got themselves classified differently earned 40 Social Security work credits in the United States are eligible to receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits, same thing just comes out of a different pot of tax payer money they just don't call it social security. And there is always the illegal who lives here for decades and manages to get into some kind of program to ultimately receive citizenship. Then these people who lied about their age when they got in the country are eligible for social security or supplemental security income get it 10 years sooner and collect 10 years more benefits than we do on our dime. This is why we have to have strict control over our immigration process and vet everyone we let in. These Biden open borders are just not going to cut it.

@Johnson212 Gee, perhaps we should ask Congress to create a bipartisan bill to deal with immigration issues to address the border situation. And guess what? We do! But Trump has commanded his party members to not pass the bill they helped write, so he can use it as a weapon during the campaign. I suggest you put pressure on your representatives to pass their own bill.

@windinhishair Yes such a bill would be nice if it did not have the poison pill built into it allowing 5000 people a day to cross before giving the president the power to shut it down. Bottom line is Trump stopped crossings at this level without any other legislation. Biden canceled presidential orders that accomplished this.

@Johnson212 Bottom line is with have a bill with broad bipartisan support that will start to address the problem. But we have Republicans who are petrified of Trump, so nothing will happen and Biden will be blamed, as you are doing.

@windinhishair No any bill that prevents the president from acting until over 5000 a day cross illegally is not a start.

@Johnson212 Which was acceptable to all parties until Trump told his subservient party representatives to stonewall the bill.

@windinhishair It was in the bill the senate passed and they knew good and well the house would not stand for it. As far as trump goes, I look at the border under Biden and I look back at the Border under Trump and I don't even think about which one I prefer.

@Johnson212 Incorrect. The House only needed a couple of Republicans to support it and those people were lined up to vote, until Trump. Republicans have no interest in solving the problem. The only thing they are interested in is helping Trump. Blaming Biden for the border is expedient in the meantime.