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gregloa · 61-69, M
Evolution did happen, with Gods help. Recently scientists have discovered after taking into account the alignment that was previously ignored because of technological difficulties we share about 80% dna with chimps. We also share 60% dna with bananas. Fact is all living organisms share dna. Of course chimps being most like humans we would share more dna. That certainly doesn’t make chimps our relatives. We share from a common ancestor but not a recent one.
@gregloa
Not sure what source you can cite on that because it's closer to 98%
You can look at my reply to jsm2 for your misunderstanding of that statistic.
But surely chimps are most like gorillas or orangutans. Much more similar in behaviors, lifestyle and habitat...
That's why it's important that not only are chimps our closest relatives but we are theirs.
Agreed. Our last common ancestor with chimps was probably around 5 million years ago
But interesting to see that you accept evolution. I thought you didn't.
Recently scientists have discovered after taking into account the alignment that was previously ignored because of technological difficulties we share about 80% dna with
Not sure what source you can cite on that because it's closer to 98%
We also share 60% dna with bananas. Fact is all living organisms share dna
You can look at my reply to jsm2 for your misunderstanding of that statistic.
Of course chimps being most like humans we would share more dna
But surely chimps are most like gorillas or orangutans. Much more similar in behaviors, lifestyle and habitat...
That's why it's important that not only are chimps our closest relatives but we are theirs.
We share from a common ancestor but not a recent one.
Agreed. Our last common ancestor with chimps was probably around 5 million years ago
But interesting to see that you accept evolution. I thought you didn't.
gregloa · 61-69, M
@Pikachu
That 98% figure is misleading because it ignores sections of the genomes that are difficult to compare. Sections of human dna without a clear counterpart in chimp dna make up 15 to 20% of the genome. So when the direct method is used it’s closer to 80% which by the way is only 20% away from bananas at 60% and we certainly aren’t related to bananas lol. All Humans share about 99% of dna and even that is somewhat misleading,but we’re not necessarily all related. My misunderstanding lol, I already looked into it. All living organisms are made from the same building blocks. It was 7 million years ago according to the choppy fossil records available and shortly after apes and chimps broke of into their own while humans went a different way. Thank you God. We share a common ancestor but that doesn’t mean we’re related to chimps. We are similar. I accept evolution but not to the extent that atheists do. I believe it was Gods way of creation and the building blocks He used for all life was dna.
That 98% figure is misleading because it ignores sections of the genomes that are difficult to compare. Sections of human dna without a clear counterpart in chimp dna make up 15 to 20% of the genome. So when the direct method is used it’s closer to 80% which by the way is only 20% away from bananas at 60% and we certainly aren’t related to bananas lol. All Humans share about 99% of dna and even that is somewhat misleading,but we’re not necessarily all related. My misunderstanding lol, I already looked into it. All living organisms are made from the same building blocks. It was 7 million years ago according to the choppy fossil records available and shortly after apes and chimps broke of into their own while humans went a different way. Thank you God. We share a common ancestor but that doesn’t mean we’re related to chimps. We are similar. I accept evolution but not to the extent that atheists do. I believe it was Gods way of creation and the building blocks He used for all life was dna.
@gregloa
Hey with all your research can you shoot me the source you're finding for 80% ?
And even if we take that 80% at face value, you've misunderstood the 50-60% figure regarding babanas.
Here, since you evidently did not bother to read the comment i directed you to i'll just repost it here for your convenience:
The argument goes that humans share 50% of our genes with bananas, not DNA as a whole. Genes are the part of the DNA that code for proteins but that only accounts for a few percent of the actual genome...so we share a bunch of genes with bananas but not much of our genetic code.
Essentially there are about 50% of or genes coding for proteins for which we can find analogues in a banana plant but share very little of our overall genome with them.
By contrast, humans and chimpanzees share about 98% of our entire genome.
As for the god claim, you do you, girlfriend!
It's a faith claim unfalsifiable and non-scientific. As long as you aren't pretending evolution didn't happen you can attribute whatever deity you please lol
Hey with all your research can you shoot me the source you're finding for 80% ?
And even if we take that 80% at face value, you've misunderstood the 50-60% figure regarding babanas.
Here, since you evidently did not bother to read the comment i directed you to i'll just repost it here for your convenience:
The argument goes that humans share 50% of our genes with bananas, not DNA as a whole. Genes are the part of the DNA that code for proteins but that only accounts for a few percent of the actual genome...so we share a bunch of genes with bananas but not much of our genetic code.
Essentially there are about 50% of or genes coding for proteins for which we can find analogues in a banana plant but share very little of our overall genome with them.
By contrast, humans and chimpanzees share about 98% of our entire genome.
As for the god claim, you do you, girlfriend!
It's a faith claim unfalsifiable and non-scientific. As long as you aren't pretending evolution didn't happen you can attribute whatever deity you please lol
@gregloa
Oh i wondered if you might be referencing the Luskin article(s) about the paper by Yoo et al.
Sorry, you've been mislead about what the science is here.
Luskin: You know, the intelligent design geologist talking about genetics.
Yeah this wasn't new information it's just been sensationalized and misinterpreted, usually for religiously motivated reasons. That's why your articles there are from creationist/intelligent design websites rather than scientific ones.
That 80% is achieved using a raw alignment gap divergence and has been widely understood for a long time. But that drop in similarity isn't just between humans and chimps but rather between any two species you might compare like rats and mice or tigers and cats.
The problem with using those numbers instead of methods like protein coding, single nucleotide polymorphism or indels (which all produce that 98ish% similarity) is that while they do produce less similarity between two species...they also produce less similarity within the same species .
That should tell you something about how useful that comparison is.
To drive home just how really useless and non-revolutionary this "new" comparison is: Using this gap divergence that is supposedly showing 13% less similarity between chimps and humans....that difference is actually larger within the same species of gorilla. (13.3 between humans and chimps, 13.8 within gorillas)
This is a nothing burger.
tl;dr Luskin misrepresents, misinterprets and in a couple places just lies about what that paper finds and creationists took it as gospel and even the authors of the paper are on record saying that he is mistaken about what their work showed.
As for the banana thing: Yeah, that reiterates what i just told you: we share 50-60% or our genes with bananas, not our genome. Genes being about 2% of the genome which code for proteins.
So we share about 50-60% of genes with bananas but much less of our genome overall.
Oh i wondered if you might be referencing the Luskin article(s) about the paper by Yoo et al.
Sorry, you've been mislead about what the science is here.
Luskin: You know, the intelligent design geologist talking about genetics.
Yeah this wasn't new information it's just been sensationalized and misinterpreted, usually for religiously motivated reasons. That's why your articles there are from creationist/intelligent design websites rather than scientific ones.
That 80% is achieved using a raw alignment gap divergence and has been widely understood for a long time. But that drop in similarity isn't just between humans and chimps but rather between any two species you might compare like rats and mice or tigers and cats.
The problem with using those numbers instead of methods like protein coding, single nucleotide polymorphism or indels (which all produce that 98ish% similarity) is that while they do produce less similarity between two species...they also produce less similarity within the same species .
That should tell you something about how useful that comparison is.
To drive home just how really useless and non-revolutionary this "new" comparison is: Using this gap divergence that is supposedly showing 13% less similarity between chimps and humans....that difference is actually larger within the same species of gorilla. (13.3 between humans and chimps, 13.8 within gorillas)
This is a nothing burger.
tl;dr Luskin misrepresents, misinterprets and in a couple places just lies about what that paper finds and creationists took it as gospel and even the authors of the paper are on record saying that he is mistaken about what their work showed.
As for the banana thing: Yeah, that reiterates what i just told you: we share 50-60% or our genes with bananas, not our genome. Genes being about 2% of the genome which code for proteins.
So we share about 50-60% of genes with bananas but much less of our genome overall.
gregloa · 61-69, M
@Pikachu well of course it is. 🤣😂 must be untrue. Only an atheist could ever not misrepresent their facts huh. God help us if an atheist could be wrong. Atheist ideology has to be the absolute gospel. Am I right? I’m right! There are 2025 studies that show and suggest that these old studies done by atheists have been shown to be inaccurate and misleading, proven to have swept facts under the rug that could prove otherwise. It’s no different from a republican hating democrat no matter the subject or the truth. I’m right you’re wrong period. We might as well be talking politics huh. How could we possibly agree? Even the politicians must meet somewhere in the middle to ever agree on anything and ever get rid of the hate that divides us.
@gregloa
lol imagine my utter shock that you did not take gracefully being told that you were wrong 😏
I even went to the trouble of explaining exactly what was wrong with the statistic you were quoting, how it was misrepresented and why it's not new.... and do you address any of the information? Ask any clarifying questions?
No: You start ranting about atheists 🤣😂
And it's myopic bordering on idiotic to automatically equate science which contradicts creationist talking points with atheism.
It's just science, lil bro. If creationism doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny then that is a failing of creationist ideology, not science. Am I right? I'm right!
Look, it's ok to be wrong, bud. Happens to the best of us. And if you don't think you're wrong, go away and do some more research and get back to me.
The emotional outburst isn't helping your case or your credibility. Do better.
lol imagine my utter shock that you did not take gracefully being told that you were wrong 😏
I even went to the trouble of explaining exactly what was wrong with the statistic you were quoting, how it was misrepresented and why it's not new.... and do you address any of the information? Ask any clarifying questions?
No: You start ranting about atheists 🤣😂
And it's myopic bordering on idiotic to automatically equate science which contradicts creationist talking points with atheism.
It's just science, lil bro. If creationism doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny then that is a failing of creationist ideology, not science. Am I right? I'm right!
Look, it's ok to be wrong, bud. Happens to the best of us. And if you don't think you're wrong, go away and do some more research and get back to me.
The emotional outburst isn't helping your case or your credibility. Do better.
gregloa · 61-69, M
@Pikachu
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Couldn’t have said it better myself, about you. Lil bro! Bud! It’s ok to admit you’re wrong! Wow talk about proving my point! Shock! Misrepresenting! Not take to gracefully being told that you are wrong! Troubling myself by explaining exactly what is wrong! Do you ask clarifying questions, no you start ranting about creationists. On and on and on. Atheistic ideologies have been proven wrong time and again and even found to have been erased from their own data when they realized their own mistakes, not about to admit they were wrong and correct their data, but intentionally hide the truth and dismiss the facts when being called out for their obvious errors, even though it would not change the opinions of others, just the fact that being wrong and changing their own data would be so incomprehensible to their unchangeable minds, rather than be satisfied by the actual truth as any sane person would be. You want to talk about bordering on idiotic to automatically equate science which contradicts atheistic talking points with creationism. It’s just science lil bro. Have a little faith will ya. If atheism doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny then that is a failing of atheist ideology. Not science. Am I right? I’m right! Obviously it’s not okay for you to be wrong, bud. Do some research of your own not with a closed mind. It’s not helping your case or your credibility!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Couldn’t have said it better myself, about you. Lil bro! Bud! It’s ok to admit you’re wrong! Wow talk about proving my point! Shock! Misrepresenting! Not take to gracefully being told that you are wrong! Troubling myself by explaining exactly what is wrong! Do you ask clarifying questions, no you start ranting about creationists. On and on and on. Atheistic ideologies have been proven wrong time and again and even found to have been erased from their own data when they realized their own mistakes, not about to admit they were wrong and correct their data, but intentionally hide the truth and dismiss the facts when being called out for their obvious errors, even though it would not change the opinions of others, just the fact that being wrong and changing their own data would be so incomprehensible to their unchangeable minds, rather than be satisfied by the actual truth as any sane person would be. You want to talk about bordering on idiotic to automatically equate science which contradicts atheistic talking points with creationism. It’s just science lil bro. Have a little faith will ya. If atheism doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny then that is a failing of atheist ideology. Not science. Am I right? I’m right! Obviously it’s not okay for you to be wrong, bud. Do some research of your own not with a closed mind. It’s not helping your case or your credibility!
@gregloa
Yeah...when the first sentence is essentially "I know you are but what am iiii ?! " then i'm not gonna bother to read the rest.
You're allowing your ego and dogmatism to make a fool of you.
Please feel free to identify any points in particular that you feel i was mistaken on.
I will address those. Your emotional crashouts, however hold little interest to me.
Better luck next time, lil guy😘
Yeah...when the first sentence is essentially "I know you are but what am iiii ?! " then i'm not gonna bother to read the rest.
You're allowing your ego and dogmatism to make a fool of you.
Please feel free to identify any points in particular that you feel i was mistaken on.
I will address those. Your emotional crashouts, however hold little interest to me.
Better luck next time, lil guy😘











