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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@BrandNewMan I would take another second to read the post
BrandNewMan · M
@TinyViolins I read it. Did you read mine? Did you answer my question even just in your mind?
King justifies black protest on their suffering in poverty and feeling unheard over the injustice of that. More current society justified months of BLM violence and riots on the same thing. Violence in LA is being excused because of claims its racist to deport people here illegally and that they labor at unappealing work with low wages.
The true statistics are that in 2020, poor non-hispanic whites (19.5MM) outnumbered the combined total of blacks and hispanics (18.9MM) iving in poverty in this country. They do not appear meaningfully better heard than their "minority" counterparts in poverty. They do not appear to escape their circumstances at a meaningfully higher rate. Yet, have you seen or heard of that non-hispanic white segment of the population rising up in violent riots? Even in significant peaceful protest of their lot in life?
So my question stands .. if they suddenly did .. would you, would our society, accept and justify their actions as well? Given their shared experience in poverty and neglect by the more affluent portion of society you would think the same response should apply. But would it? Or simply because they are white and the victims were black .. would their similar situational experience be ignored and their actions condemned as racistly motivated? Would they be labeled white supremacists instead of viewed with compassion for having acted out in pain, frustration and indignity?
What is your answer?
King justifies black protest on their suffering in poverty and feeling unheard over the injustice of that. More current society justified months of BLM violence and riots on the same thing. Violence in LA is being excused because of claims its racist to deport people here illegally and that they labor at unappealing work with low wages.
The true statistics are that in 2020, poor non-hispanic whites (19.5MM) outnumbered the combined total of blacks and hispanics (18.9MM) iving in poverty in this country. They do not appear meaningfully better heard than their "minority" counterparts in poverty. They do not appear to escape their circumstances at a meaningfully higher rate. Yet, have you seen or heard of that non-hispanic white segment of the population rising up in violent riots? Even in significant peaceful protest of their lot in life?
So my question stands .. if they suddenly did .. would you, would our society, accept and justify their actions as well? Given their shared experience in poverty and neglect by the more affluent portion of society you would think the same response should apply. But would it? Or simply because they are white and the victims were black .. would their similar situational experience be ignored and their actions condemned as racistly motivated? Would they be labeled white supremacists instead of viewed with compassion for having acted out in pain, frustration and indignity?
What is your answer?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@BrandNewMan Yours was a disingenuous question that could easily have been answered if you bothered to read the first paragraph. Nowhere in my post are riots being condoned. In fact, they are explicitly condemned multiple times.
But ask yourself, honestly, why did the LA protests start in the first place? Why specifically now? ICE has been conducting raids in LA for months. Trump has been talking mass deportations for longer than that. Do you genuinely believe all of that anger and destruction was borne over a handful of unknown day laborers?
As to your comment on white poverty, you do have to realize that white people outnumbered black and Hispanic people roughly 2:1 in the US in 2020. They had about 100 million more people, but only 600K more in poverty. Looking at totals alone is another dishonest tactic when one side has a clear advantage.
But to go even further than that, poverty was just a fraction of the things MLK based his protests on, and he didn't even focus on it until a few years before his death. He was against segregation, job discrimination, civil rights abuses. He fought for voting rights, housing rights, and equal opportunities.
Not sure why you're choosing to shift the discussion to poverty, since even BLM was predominantly about police brutality. All of your questions are based on a flawed premise that has little if anything to do with my post. I just don't have any interest in debating hypothetical scenarios based on incorrect assumptions. I prefer to debate facts instead of narratives
But if I were to guess as to why poor white people don't riot, a very simple reason would be because of how spread out they are. Most poor whites live in rural areas far away from each other. They lack the critical mass of people needed to effectively protest. On top of that, where could they protest anyway? They'd have to drive for a long time before they can find any corporate headquarters, federal courts, or state capitols.
But ask yourself, honestly, why did the LA protests start in the first place? Why specifically now? ICE has been conducting raids in LA for months. Trump has been talking mass deportations for longer than that. Do you genuinely believe all of that anger and destruction was borne over a handful of unknown day laborers?
As to your comment on white poverty, you do have to realize that white people outnumbered black and Hispanic people roughly 2:1 in the US in 2020. They had about 100 million more people, but only 600K more in poverty. Looking at totals alone is another dishonest tactic when one side has a clear advantage.
But to go even further than that, poverty was just a fraction of the things MLK based his protests on, and he didn't even focus on it until a few years before his death. He was against segregation, job discrimination, civil rights abuses. He fought for voting rights, housing rights, and equal opportunities.
Not sure why you're choosing to shift the discussion to poverty, since even BLM was predominantly about police brutality. All of your questions are based on a flawed premise that has little if anything to do with my post. I just don't have any interest in debating hypothetical scenarios based on incorrect assumptions. I prefer to debate facts instead of narratives
But if I were to guess as to why poor white people don't riot, a very simple reason would be because of how spread out they are. Most poor whites live in rural areas far away from each other. They lack the critical mass of people needed to effectively protest. On top of that, where could they protest anyway? They'd have to drive for a long time before they can find any corporate headquarters, federal courts, or state capitols.
True words you have spoken. But we just can't blame one race. We must not forget that America has failed in their moral values and needs to get back to God, if it wants to heal and be successful. I believe we are heading in that direction. At least I pray so. Only when we turn to God can he make America great again.
Violence is never a good thing...no matter whom it concerns. Both Black and Whites need to work together and come together in harmony. It has been long coming and as long as both parties insist on fighting and exercise nothing but violence, nothing will be resolved. It will take persistent effort on both sides. God tells us to love everyone, not just some.
Violence is never a good thing...no matter whom it concerns. Both Black and Whites need to work together and come together in harmony. It has been long coming and as long as both parties insist on fighting and exercise nothing but violence, nothing will be resolved. It will take persistent effort on both sides. God tells us to love everyone, not just some.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
You are totally correct that RIOTING is a counter-productive event when promoting a cause for justice. The reality though is that the people who are kpeacefully DEMONSTRATING most often have nothing al all to do with the contemporary rioting that occurs on the border of their presence. In fact, riots are often created by the opposition to destroy the cause of the demonstrators. Others of course are just criminals who have no association to the demonstration who wish to pillage or attack the police who are overseeing the demonstration in order to keep the peace.
In the USA right now, there is no compassion for any person who doesn't have a means to support their needs. Everything is geared to washing away any demonstrations of empathy toward the poor and those who are not poor are becoming targets for speaking against what they realize are "Unamerican' values.
BTW: I read your 'About Me' and you espouse very valid values that everyone should think about. Thank you for putting your thoughts 'out here' for others to think about.
In the USA right now, there is no compassion for any person who doesn't have a means to support their needs. Everything is geared to washing away any demonstrations of empathy toward the poor and those who are not poor are becoming targets for speaking against what they realize are "Unamerican' values.
BTW: I read your 'About Me' and you espouse very valid values that everyone should think about. Thank you for putting your thoughts 'out here' for others to think about.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Miram I agree with you. The protests scheduled for this weekend are not really matters of life and death.
In an abstract sense, it's a debate about just vs. unjust enforcement of laws. Thankfully no one has resorted to killing, but when tensions are as high as they are now, it's not outside the realm of possibility
In an abstract sense, it's a debate about just vs. unjust enforcement of laws. Thankfully no one has resorted to killing, but when tensions are as high as they are now, it's not outside the realm of possibility
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jokersswild This particular speech was aimed at a white audience, speaking on behalf of black people.
Furthermore, he did frequently include phrases like "all people" or "all Americans" in his speeches. One of his lesser known quotes is "our separate struggles are really one – a struggle for freedom, for dignity and for humanity"
Furthermore, he did frequently include phrases like "all people" or "all Americans" in his speeches. One of his lesser known quotes is "our separate struggles are really one – a struggle for freedom, for dignity and for humanity"
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Lilnonames Sounds like the plot of a zombie movie
Lilnonames · F
@TinyViolins so be it👌