Me looking at America

@ViciDraco
But Americans voted Trump into the Presidency TWICE!

It would appear to me that the majority of Americans are just fine with what you're otherwise having issues with.

@SandWitch The second time was a plurality of voters. He didn't get more than 50% of the vote. And a lot of eligible voters didn't vote.

Irregardless, even if a majority voted for him doesn't make the fact that we are being looted and sold out any better. If anything, it makes it worse that people would choose this.

To be fair, I believe democrats have also been selling us out for a while; just at a slower pace than republicans generally do. Trump has gone all in though.

@ViciDraco
Well, that is precisely what I mean, where even Democrats are selling out their own country because most NEVER VOTED AT ALL during the Presidential election.

I have respect for traditional American Republicans who voted for a Republican Leader, but I have no respect at all for eligible voters who did not get out to vote.

Not voting for Kamala Harris for example was actually a supporting vote for Trump. This is because nothing was done by the Democrats to STOP Trump from getting elected for the second time.

Whether Trump got 50% of the vote or not is quite irrelevant. What IS relevant however is that only 49% of the entire eligible American population voted in the last Presidential election in the first place.

Of that 49% who did get out to vote, 51% of those Americans who voted, voted for Trump.

51% of 49% when looked at mathematically means, that 24.9% of all eligible American voters is all it took to vote Trump into the Presidency.

It wasn't the Republicans who got Trump elected, it was the Democrats who never bothered to get off their fat asssses to go out and vote that would have otherwise prevented Trump from getting re-elected in 2024.

That's why Americans are viewed as being a totally fukked-up culture of people by those around the world who thankfully don't actually live in the USA.

Americans keep demonstrating to the rest of the world that Americans don't know what they're doing and therefore, the choosing of the President of the United States should be taken out of the hands of the American public.

@SandWitch I do agree with you that we Americans are largely fukked-up. We early adopted a modern vote based system over monarchs. It wasn't the first such, but it was certainly uncommon. We called ourselves free and we were relative to the time. And then we kept calling ourselves that as basically all of Europe innovated even better systems. And instead of learning from that, we decided to plug our ears and double down on what we had. (Trump only won 49%, not 51%)

We cry about how bad propaganda was in the soviet union and communist China when we're just as bad with it. For them it was the state that spread it, for us it was the wealthy. Our propaganda told us freedom was rugged individuality. Freedom was making your own way and failure was a character flaw. Only it was never your own character flaw. It was a character flaw in others. And to make up for that failing they were going to try to drag you down with them. The people who have next to nothing is why you, yourself are struggling. Don't look up, look down. If we help others it means you will miss out.

Money is speech, greed is success, rights and dignity are only for people you like. But also politics is boring and you can ignore it.

I don't like that my nation is at the point it is at. But it does kind of deserve it. I suspect things have to get a little darker yet before the mass of people actually wake up. The thing with all of the people that didn't vote is that they don't think it really matters to their lives. And they'll continue that complacency until things get much worse than even now.

@ViciDraco
Very accurately stated and thank you for that detailed summary of America's truth.

I'm not sure that Americans would actually believe they were in trouble, even if the lights went out completely and left everyone in the dark indefinitely.

When you are told from youth that your country is the best though there is no substantive evidence that it actually is and therefore cannot fail although that concept had never been litmus tested to find out for sure, if one suddenly finds themself in the dark, I believe the tendency would be to sit there quietly and wait for Superman to come along because somebody important once said that he would show up and that he would make things all better again.

But America's reality is that Superman does not exist nor ever has, any more than did the Wizard of Oz exist in a place called Kansas. Who then will turn the lights back on if the superhero everyone was taught to believe was named "America the Great", doesn't show up to save them from themselves?

What does everyone do if Joe Superhero no-shows the party and everyone is left holding nothing that is factually tangible about the country they were taught was the very best in the world, as the rest of the real world looks on with mundane concern as the smoke beings to fill the distant sky over that faraway fantasyland of western culture called "America"?

What governments around the world including Canada to your north are advising their investment portfolio managers to do, is sell all assets that have any American content whatsoever in them and transfer that wealth into more stable countries which have more black in their financial ledgers than red. The United States is currently on the auction block for 'sell' orders around the world of high finance and very quietly but methodically, this is happening without much fanfare. After all, what is there to celebrate?

I don't quite know how all of this is going to go down for the USA when the music stops but I do know that countries around the world have already ensured that they'll have a chair to sit in when that American music does stop playing and those distant lights go out of sight which use to light up our skies at night.

There's a new world order on the horizon and the USA is not holding the tiller this time around. I don't know where America sits on that new ship, but I'd be very surprised if they'll even have a window seat if the truth be known, it's actually that dire.

I'm sure you're acutely aware of all this and I'm sure that I'm not telling you anything that you haven't already contemplated at length. I look forward to hearing your very informative thoughts.

@SandWitch The truth is that it could go a few ways.

There's a chance Trump is ousted early or dies, or just the next election swings away and we can start recovering like we did after his first term. Though I find this least likely of the scenarios I envision. Trump winning a second time makes this a fool me once, fool me twice situation for the world to trust to us. It's not impossible we recover and retain our position, but I just don't see it happening.

This type of period internally to the US is not new though. It is reminiscent of the late 1800s and early 1900s before the US was ever considered a world power. Massive wealth inequality paired with a faulty economy and war profiteering were all big things in the US. We pulled out of that darkness with massive public investment, government sponsored jobs programs, and a willingness to claw wealth back from what we called "robber barons". There's a chance we do that again. Though on the other side of that I think we look more like one of the European nations and no longer as the world superpower. This is something that could take 50 years to play out though. If one of the worse scenarios below don't take place.

Then there's always the chance we go like Rome and buckle under and split up into smaller nations. I see this as less likely given the fact that we have a strong national identity and most people consider themselves the real Americans paired with the power of the state to actually shut down any sort of insurrection before it starts. But there's a chance.

Or we could end up like Russia, a fallen state trying its best to still act like one of the big shots but managing to have most of our endeavors undercut by massive internal corruption and only really surviving geopolitically because we have enough ordinance to trigger the end of the world if we decide to. More likely than the nation splitting up, but possibly even worse for the average citizen.

@SandWitch about the most accurate portrayal of american politics i have ever read :(