I Hate Americans And Anyone Who Supports The Usa

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Hi sarabee,

Thank you for providing a reasoned comment with good intentions at heart. I'd be really interested in debating this with someone sensible.

I'm from the motherland, the United Kingdom.

Hi Foreboding... Wow, I'm sorry now that I took the day mostly away from SW. I wish I could have posted my comments before the mob jumped in. Let me try...

So you're from the UK? That actually surprises me. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is our most important alliance in the world and I thought it was yours as well (more so even than the EU which you are abandoning). But I suppose the fact that our nations are allies and have been for over a century does not require us to like each other.

Politics and international relations specifically with Europe is my field of study so I find your question particularly interesting coming from one of her majesty's subjects.

Honestly, I rarely see the chants of USA-USA-USA from political events. Actually, outside of Trump's rallies, I don't think I've seen it at all anywhere in this political cycle? Maybe early on at a Cruz rally perhaps? Where is it that you are seeing this?

I think that chant is far more common at international athletic events like the recently completed Olympic games in Rio. And, of course, cheering on one's team in such events is absolutely not a uniquely American activity. And if we are talking about obnoxious sports fans, you do not need to look across the pond to find them. England herself is full of them.

As for Lochte, he is a jerk in any country and I think you can judge a little bit of our collective character in our response to his actions. I know he is on an apology tour to try to salvage something of a career and/or endorsements, but he is done. America does not endorse his actions and will not have him as our face to the world.

As for bombs... Interesting that you bring this subject up. Can you name for me a single country that has poured more resources into developing weapon systems that are more accurate and less likely to hit accidental targets. Of course war is messy and collateral damage happens. It is horrible, but no nation in the history of the world has done more to try to limit warfare's impact on non-combatants.

No comment, huh?

Sara - I don't think logic and facts work on those butt hurt and bent on making themselves miserable and projecting their pathetic insecurities onto others. I applaud your tact and effort tho.

Sarabee1995, I do have a reply for you, but yours was buried under the avalanche of posts that people have made on here. Coupled with the fact that I've not been on SW all day and I haven't had the time to respond. Give me until tomorrow.

@Foreboding: Fair enough ... tick-tock-tick-tock ;)

@sarabee1995: Hi sarabee1995,

I had a very brief look on your profile before coming on here to reply to you. I saw your resumé, and I thought that your response would be worth responding to. Fortunately, unlike 99% of the others on here, it is. So here we go.

NATO doesn't really mean anything. It's an organisation in name only. Turkey and Greece have been at loggerheads for decades, which include skirmishes and aircraft frequently engaged and shot down. If member states can't even play nice with each other, then I doubt they'd do anything if a Russian tank rolled across the border. However, saying that, it certainly isn't a requirement for member states to like each other. Had The Ukraine been a part of NATO, do you think Europe/USA would have stood idly by and watched it happen or engaged them? It's a tough one to answer, but my gut tells me that we wouldn't have engaged militarily. Geopolitics and defence also happen to be some of my areas of expertise. NATO is the USA. Without their say so, no-one would do anything.

I've been seeing the chants frequently on various media. It tends to happen at political rallies, both Clinton and Trump. I've even seen a video of it at one of Bernie's which surprised me.

It is certainly a common occurrence at sporting events, but why is it that only the USA are culpable of this behaviour? No-one else has the same over the top in your face support as other nations whilst maintaining intense levels of arrogance. To me, it's a really interesting social trait and I like delving into the psychology behind it. It's fine to take pride in something good your country has achieved. It's fine to support your team with chants. It's fine to get behind a sportsman/woman/team. What's completely bizarre is the way some Americans seem to go about it. There's never any modesty. There's never any attempt to sit back and enjoy the spectacle without having to be as loud as possible to establish dominance over the rest of the crowd. It wreaks of small man syndrome.

I did add the caveat in multiple posts that the traits I describe are not indicative of everyone who lives in the USA, but it is something that keeps on appearing.

Precision guided munitions are merely a facade. Defence companies market them as being able to hit a needle in a haystack, but believe me when I say that this is not completely the case. Damage limitation weapons have less of an explosive footprint, but still have to be aimed at the 'right' targets. Saudi Arabia have been using them left right and centre in places like Yemen and have shown no regard for civilians. Even the coalition of Western nations, whilst showing more restraint, have still been guilty of hitting civilians multiple times.

Just one more point on that subject quickly before I sign off. Defence companies use the premise of limited civilian casualties as a smoke screen for government investment into their company. They don't actually care how many of them die so long as their pockets are lined. The American government, and other foreign governments, also don't particularly care about the average human on the ground. So long as people are still employed by the defence machine, they'll continue to throw money at it.

@sarabee1995: Come on Sara. Don't lament me for taking ages to reply and then not do so yourself.

Tick tock tick tock.

@Foreboding: Sorry! I never saw the notification of your response and figured you had scurried away, tail between legs. ;-) Thanks for poking me. :-)

If Ukraine (not "The" Ukraine) were a member of NATO, then NATO troops, tanks, and other equipment would have been pre-positioned on its eastern border as you see now in the Baltics and other frontier states. And yes, I do believe the USA and European member states would respond militarily to any incursion into NATO territory. We can agree to disagree on that and hopefully we will never find out.

Let's agree that sports fans everywhere are sometimes too enthusiastic for the less ebullient among us. I've seen reports of crowds gone wild in England as well as cities on this side of the pond. I don't understand it and won't defend it, but neither will I criticize it. If that is their thing, then fine. I'll watch on TV at home if the event is of interest.

As for national pride, this is a different issue and one that, to an extent, we can also agree on. Trump's campaign (and Clinton's to a much lesser extent) is fueling nationalism. I do love my country and I'm proud to be an American as I hope you are proud of your country's rich history and accomplishments.

But nationalism can be taken too far as Europe knows all too well. Perhaps this is why you are more cognizant of its outward signs than most Americans? I honestly don't know if the campaigns have gone too far in stoking American pride and my only bases for comparison come from text books.

I don't think it is reason to hate America or Americans because those you see at political rallies are a VERY small slice of the country and not a representative one.