JoyfulSilence · 46-50, M
The only major threat to Russia is mutually assured destruction.
So, if NATO expansion increases friction, then the possibility of us all dying increases.
Eastern Europe wants the nuclear umbrella of the West, for good reason. Russia wants to be able to still have the option to invade its neighbors, conventionally, without nuclear war. But they cannot invade a NATO nation without sparking a nuclear war, or at least a horrible conventional war they likely would lose, unless they go nuclear, in which case everybody loses.
So Russia does not fear invasion, rather it is annoyed when it loses the option to invade other nations.
I suspect nuclear proliferation in Europe, like to Germany and Turkey. And who knows who else?
So, if NATO expansion increases friction, then the possibility of us all dying increases.
Eastern Europe wants the nuclear umbrella of the West, for good reason. Russia wants to be able to still have the option to invade its neighbors, conventionally, without nuclear war. But they cannot invade a NATO nation without sparking a nuclear war, or at least a horrible conventional war they likely would lose, unless they go nuclear, in which case everybody loses.
So Russia does not fear invasion, rather it is annoyed when it loses the option to invade other nations.
I suspect nuclear proliferation in Europe, like to Germany and Turkey. And who knows who else?
ElwoodBlues · M
NEVER!
Putin actually wanted Russia to join NATO back in 2000.
Putin actually wanted Russia to join NATO back in 2000.
“Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/View 6 more replies »
ElwoodBlues · M
@ABCDEF7 says
The link I provided above links to the full text of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum; here is the text link.
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
It's very easy with a browser to load the PDF and search for the string 'NATO.' Hint: it doesn't appear in the treaty.
Hence your claim "It was with a condition that Ukraine should not go for joining NATO" is easily disproven. QED.
P.S.: if you think some other part of the treaty carries that meaning, please be so good as to post a quote of the part of the treaty that you believe says anything similar. I'll wait for your quote.
It was with a condition that Ukraine should not go for joining NATO.
NO! IT WAS NOT!!The link I provided above links to the full text of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum; here is the text link.
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
It's very easy with a browser to load the PDF and search for the string 'NATO.' Hint: it doesn't appear in the treaty.
Hence your claim "It was with a condition that Ukraine should not go for joining NATO" is easily disproven. QED.
P.S.: if you think some other part of the treaty carries that meaning, please be so good as to post a quote of the part of the treaty that you believe says anything similar. I'll wait for your quote.
ABCDEF7 · M
@ElwoodBlues Lol.. Why would someone proof themselves to be having malice intentions in their own documentation. Have you found a cheater company to mention their intention to cheat people in their Memorandum of Association (MoA) or Articles of Association (AoA)?
There is something called secret agenda. Use your brain to understand basic logical thing. See the actions on ground.
There are things that western media never want people to know. They brainwash people and make their thinking biased. That is why I have shared that video to understand the complete picture.
There is something called secret agenda. Use your brain to understand basic logical thing. See the actions on ground.
There are things that western media never want people to know. They brainwash people and make their thinking biased. That is why I have shared that video to understand the complete picture.
ElwoodBlues · M
@ABCDEF7 Your comment makes no sense. Just because a talking head says something on YouTube, that doesn't make it true!
You asserted
You asserted
It was with a condition that Ukraine should not go for joining NATO.
I proved that assertion to be false. There is no such condition in the treaty. Hence Russia's invasion of Ukraine was indeed a violation of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. QED.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
1963 and 1980s with reagan
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@wildbill83 not well, but what does that have to do with Russia?
Khenpal1 · M
Anything western is treat to Russia , how else can you brainwash population ???