defending ukraine

as a mere by stander too what is going on in ukraine at the moment and a mere layman does anyone know why this idea the european union and starmer are floating will work .i am talking about at an agreed ceasefire in ukraine do these european ministers think for one second russia will let them put an peace keeping force under the flag of the european union on ukraine soil that arealso nato countries .much we all want too see this war end this idea is so unrealistic from the start and would never be acceptable in russian eyes

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ArtieKat · M

@smiler2012 The proposed peacekeeping force of British, French etc is dependent solely on a ceasefire agreement. It's unlikely that there will be one - for all Putin's bravado Russia is on the bones of its arse. I think that if the USA withdraws its forces from Europe then Europe will actually access the capital itself (not just the interest) of frozen Russian assets to arm Ukraine. This, I believe, is what scares Russia itself - and probably Trump too because he can't deliver on any grubby backroom deal he may have done. As @sarabee1995 has said in a number of posts, the US armed forces take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution not to the President.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@ArtieKat

oath of allegiance to the Constitution not to the President

I expect that to change before too long.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP

@ArtieKat Absolutely. We swear to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And we take that oath seriously. 🫡

@newjaninev2 No, I do not excpect that to change anytime soon ... at least not without a second revolution.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@sarabee1995 There was a dictator 80 years ago who changed the military's oath of allegiance from loyalty to the nation to loyalty to him personally.

Nobody expected that - until it happened.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP

@newjaninev2 But today's military here in the US would never accept that. Our entire officer corps (of which I am a part) is extensively trained on the concept of legal and illegal orders and the supremacy of the Constitution. A change like that in the oath of office would never be tolerated.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@sarabee1995 There are many changes that americans will be taught to tolerate. Those changes will be gradual (at first) and will be introduced under multiple guises.